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Old 09-12-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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paying for private tutoring or attending test prep schools? I have noticed many a test prep schools targeting students for Special Highs and Hunter. I just wonder if it is intended to be this way.... There is nothing wrong for parents to pay for private tutoring to help their children learn. But I thought these special schools were meant to select naturally gifted and talented students, not just hard-working and privately tutored test takers. It seems like that they have spurred an increasing tend of test preps in this city that is non existent in the rest of the country.

For Hunter high school, I heard that the competition is extremely tough due to their smaller admission number out of thousands of top performing students from entire NYC who are eligible to take their entrance exams. How many of Hunter students today made the selection without being privately tutored or attending prep schools? Do the school officials care for this practice?
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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Isn't this how all the best schools are?
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Isn't this how all the best schools are?
I feel that a lot of smart kids lose in this selection process because of the lack of targeted preparation .

IMO, these schools should alter the format and focus of their entrance exams every year to make it difficult for targeted preparation in advance to make it a more effective selection process for unprepared G&T kids.

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Old 09-12-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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so hunter should take lazy gifted students?

then why not just give everyone IQ test and use that for entrance
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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so hunter should take lazy gifted students?

then why not just give everyone IQ test and use that for entrance
you misunderstood my point. i see that the current selection process encourages too much hard work and repetitive drilling on the known pattern of tests and range of test content, in other words, too focused and predictable to test the gift and talent level of the candidates. the test designers could work harder to optimize the selection criteria to catch true top kids..
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Old 09-12-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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I took the Stuyvesant HS admission exam in 1975. I got in easily without any special prep. Though, I don't think they had that nonsense back then.
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Old 09-12-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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My daughter was accepted to Stuyvesant and Townsend Harris in 2002 without any special tutoring or prep courses.
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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For Hunter high school, I heard that the competition is extremely tough due to their smaller admission number out of thousands of top performing students from entire NYC who are eligible to take their entrance exams. How many of Hunter students today made the selection without being privately tutored or attending prep schools? Do the school officials care for this practice?
HCHS alum. i didn't prep and actually took the test completely cold IIRC. i was the only one from my junior high in brooklyn who got in - i think some of the other kids there had prepped but didn't get in

very few of my friends while i was in HCHS had prepped either (that i recall). this was about 10 - 15 years ago. i've heard prep has become more common since then

a lot of people forget/don't know that students who attended hunter elementary get automatic admission to the high school. so right there is a significant chunk of students in the school without prep (although doesn't really address your issue)

there was only HCHS, BxSci, BT and Stuy back in my day. with so many new schools, i figure there has to be more opportunity for teenagers to get in without prep nowadays, even if the amount of students with prep has increased
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:47 AM
 
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you misunderstood my point. i see that the current selection process encourages too much hard work and repetitive drilling on the known pattern of tests and range of test content, in other words, too focused and predictable to test the gift and talent level of the candidates. the test designers could work harder to optimize the selection criteria to catch true top kids..
And? They are going to do the same thing for the SAT, GRE, etc. Besides, you are kidding yourself if you think that the test designers want anything more than to make money.
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:03 AM
 
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Some poor kids are VERY smart, believe it or not, and don't need endless high cost tutoring to get them good test results.
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