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Old 10-16-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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I was thinking the same thing. I wonder what effect Deblasio will have on NYC. I may not agree with Bloomi on social things but he understood the importance of keeping crime down and not alienating the business community.
In yesterday's debate, deblasio kept reiterating this need for after school programs for every kid. Maybe he should start with concentrating on what kids are learning between 9am and 3pm as a priority. After school kids should be out in the streets playing. It makes the streets safer, especially if they are better educated during regular class hours.
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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In yesterday's debate, deblasio kept reiterating this need for after school programs for every kid. Maybe he should start with concentrating on what kids are learning between 9am and 3pm as a priority. After school kids should be out in the streets playing. It makes the streets safer, especially if they are better educated during regular class hours.
It's a dole out for families with single parents or both parents working (irregular hours, 2 jobs etc.). BDB does not really care about improving the quality of education. What he wants is for the schools to act as a de facto daycare for the working poor and they will vote for him for that.
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Old 10-16-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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In yesterday's debate, deblasio kept reiterating this need for after school programs for every kid. Maybe he should start with concentrating on what kids are learning between 9am and 3pm as a priority. After school kids should be out in the streets playing. It makes the streets safer, especially if they are better educated during regular class hours.
This is part of giving an entitlement. Free head start for everyone. The problem is that there is nothing really for free. Raise taxes and get the bad people who are doing better.
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Old 10-16-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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It's a dole out for families with single parents or both parents working (irregular hours, 2 jobs etc.). BDB does not really care about improving the quality of education. What he wants is for the schools to act as a de facto daycare for the working poor and they will vote for him for that.
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This is part of giving an entitlement. Free head start for everyone. The problem is that there is nothing really for free. Raise taxes and get the bad people who are doing better.
I just think its nuts that he prioritizes that when so many schools are still crap. Sounds like we'll be seeing a bunch of empty playgrounds and schoolyards, which will be depressing in itself. Or it'll just be something additional for kids to skip out on. Let's see which kids take advantage of it, the kids that need it or the kids that know of it.
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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It's a dole out for families with single parents or both parents working (irregular hours, 2 jobs etc.). BDB does not really care about improving the quality of education. What he wants is for the schools to act as a de facto daycare for the working poor and they will vote for him for that.
BTW only "Certain" people can get this perk.
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:29 PM
 
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We didn't have so much of a "Golden Age of the Suburbs" as a "Feces Age of the Cities". When many major cities looked like post-apocalyptic wastelands, of course the suburbs are going to shine in comparison. Fortunately that's ended. But I think the cities are also getting a major boost from the millennial generation (larger than its predecessor and successor), along with a general trend to delay having children. As the millennials get older a lot of them are going to start moving out of the cities, though probably nothing like the second half of the 20th century.

If the cities want to keep families, they need two things that they currently don't provide. One is decent schools, the other is space to live. NYC is better than many cities with the schools (and of course has plenty of rich people who can afford private). But balancing that, space to live is scarce and expensive compared to other cities.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:25 PM
 
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In yesterday's debate, deblasio kept reiterating this need for after school programs for every kid. Maybe he should start with concentrating on what kids are learning between 9am and 3pm as a priority. After school kids should be out in the streets playing. It makes the streets safer, especially if they are better educated during regular class hours.
I'm not sure if you have a stay at home wife of some sort who raises your kids or what not. Have you visited other parts of the city where working people have to struggle to find daycare for services for their kids who are not of age to attend school. Childcare service in NYC is probably the most expensive in the nation. Some people in the city are lucky or fortunate enough to have close family support system of uncle, aunts or grandparents who can help watch toddlers while mommy and daddy goes to work, but sadly for some what if grand parents are still working, or uncle and aunts also work and not around or available. One has to come up with means to find money and send their kids to daycare. As for the after school, many parents work long, long hours to make a buck or two and work well beyond 5pm. Many parents do have close family support structure of uncle, aunts, grandparents who can pick their kids up from after school, or maybe a community center can participate but those spots go very quickly and not every neighborhood has a community center. Kids roam the street, nowhere to go, do silly stuff and get in trouble, some get hurt, and whos to blame, whos liable, the parents, the school or the city? You would say the parents are liable if the kids get hurt or get into trouble after school. In order to close these holes after school programs which were decimated on mayor Bloomberg needs to be sprouted up again.

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It's a dole out for families with single parents or both parents working (irregular hours, 2 jobs etc.). BDB does not really care about improving the quality of education. What he wants is for the schools to act as a de facto daycare for the working poor and they will vote for him for that.

correct, my thoughts exactly!


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This is part of giving an entitlement. Free head start for everyone. The problem is that there is nothing really for free. Raise taxes and get the bad people who are doing better.
Correct, my thoughts exactly! Reps for both you too.

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I just think its nuts that he prioritizes that when so many schools are still crap. Sounds like we'll be seeing a bunch of empty playgrounds and schoolyards, which will be depressing in itself. Or it'll just be something additional for kids to skip out on. Let's see which kids take advantage of it, the kids that need it or the kids that know of it.
Its going to take a some years to fix NYC public system, same goes for other public school systems throughout urban America. I was even hoping for gentrification to fix broken schools, maybe a carbon copies of ps 321 will sprout up in Harlem, Mott Haven, Bushwick, Washington Heights, Les, but again I was proven wrong. Most Transplants will desire to have kids will probably send their kids to either private schools or move to back suburbia which have better education. Also city is too expensive, limited space and so forth makes raising kids a bit tough to do.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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And it's the golden age for cities? Just tonight, I walked down Bowery street by the whole foods on Houston. No less than 50 homeless people on the streets in three block radius. With $2m 2br condos on this street? Yeah, sounds real golden to me.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:41 PM
 
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And it's the golden age for cities? Just tonight, I walked down Bowery street by the whole foods on Houston. No less than 50 homeless people on the streets in three block radius. With $2m 2br condos on this street? Yeah, sounds real golden to me.
I like you joey, you seem like a stand up guy. I mean that. However I can't help but to laugh when people move to certain areas expecting some pristine yuppie wonderland for their top dollar, only to see what is a shiny coat (or 5) of really expensive paint on this bursting at the seems little island. I swear to god I think ny'rs are dupes sometimes. And I include myself in that. I wholeheartedly understand why my old man split when he retired. I get why people want some actual space for their money. I get it now.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:32 AM
 
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And it's the golden age for cities? Just tonight, I walked down Bowery street by the whole foods on Houston. No less than 50 homeless people on the streets in three block radius. With $2m 2br condos on this street? Yeah, sounds real golden to me.
The 2 million condos are often owned by people who have other residences here. As for the homeless population, its only going to increase.
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