African-American women allow strangers in Union Square Park to touch their Hair. (movies, dating)
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Nothing in that article states these women's national origins. So you cannot say that are clearly not African American. A person tied to the Black experience in America and who identifies as African American can indeed be mixed race as well.
The woman in the 1st photo has an Arabic name. More than likely her father is an African Muslim man.
A mixed race woman is not a black American woman. She is simply a mixed race woman who identifies as a black American woman.
I don't agree. I looked at all of those women in the picture and they are all mixed race, besides the dark one who looks like both of her parent's are from Africa.
The mixed race women probably have an African father (hence their last names) and a white European mother.
Okay, do you consider lightskinned blacks to be mixed race just cause their lightskin?
Do you consider this girl here to be "mixed race":
Okay, do you consider lightskinned blacks to be mixed race just cause their lightskin?
Do you consider this girl here to be "mixed race":
Light skin so called blacks are really just mixed race people who have identified as black (throughout the centuries) while living in the U.S., due to America's one drop rule.
People with the same skin color, hair type and facial features in Brazil and much of Latin America are deemed as mixed race and would never be classified as black. A mixed race "black" woman wrote an interesting article detailing her experience in Brazil. She didn't view herself as mixed race in the U.S., but upon moving to Brazil, was forced to take on a new identity as a mixed race woman, because Brazilian society viewed her as mixed race and treated her accordingly. She was amazed that the shop keepers only followed around dark people, not light skinned or white people. Also, she noticed that her neighborhood only had mixed race and whites, not blacks, because most of the blacks in Brazil were relegated to the worst slums throughout the city.
Because of the one drop rule in the U.S., I'm fully cognizant that within the American context, the women in your post would be deemed as light skin black women, but realize if the same women in your post, lived outside of the U.S., they would overwhelmingly be viewed as mixed race, in places like Europe, Africa and Latin America.
The woman featured in the below pic is half African and half European. She was born in the UK and identifies as mixed race and everyone views her as mixed, not black. The same woman however would be viewed as a light skin black American if she was born in the U.S., due to the one drop rule, but irrespective of what many people believe, the one drop rule doesn't change the fact that she is indeed mixed and not black.
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Vanessa Williams is a case in point. Although the mixed woman in the above picture has similar skin color, eye color and hair, Vanessa Williams is not viewed as mixed race, she is viewed as African American (due to the one drop rule). Does this however negate the fact that Vanessa Williams' family has mixed ancestry?
Light skin so called blacks are really just mixed race people who have identified as blacks (throughout the centuries) while living in the U.S., due to America's one drop rule.
People with the same skin color in Brazil and much of Latin America are deemed as mixed race and would never be classified as black. A mixed race "black" woman wrote an interesting article detailing her experience in Brazil. She didn't view herself as mixed race in the U.S., but upon moving to Brazil, was forced to take on a new identity as a mixed race woman, because Brazilian society viewed her as mixed race and treated her accordingly. She was amazed that the shop keepers only followed around the darker looking inhabits, not light skinned or white people. Also, she noticed that her neighborhood only had mixed race and whites, not blacks, because most of the blacks in Brazil were relegated to the worst slums throughout the city.
Okay. Are you of either whole or mixed African ancestry or BLACK AMERICAN?
If you're black AMERICAN (where you identify with AA culture or your ancestors were slaves here), do you consider all lightskinned blacks to be of "mixed-race" by AMERICAN STANDARDS?
Not Brazil, DR or any other place, but by AMERICAN STANDARDS, that is, if you're BLACK AMERICAN?
Light skin so called blacks are really just mixed race people who have identified as black (throughout the centuries) while living in the U.S., due to America's one drop rule.
The woman featured in the below pic is half African and half European. She was born in the UK and identifies as mixed race and everyone views her as mixed, not black.The same woman however would be viewed as a light skin black American if she was born in the U.S., due to the one drop rule, but irrespective of what many people believe, the one drop rule doesn't change the fact that she is indeed mixed and not black.
The woman would be viewed as biracial or mixed-race here as well, because she has TWO PARENTS of different races. The one drop rule doesn't apply like that anymore.
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Vanessa Williams is a case in point. Although the mixed woman in the above picture has similar skin color, eye color and hair, Vanessa Williams is not viewed as mixed race, she is viewed as African American (due to the one drop rule). Does this however negate the fact that Vanessa Williams' family has mixed ancestry?
No, Vanessa Williams is viewed as BLACK, because both of her parents are of mixed or whole African Ancestry.
Halle Berry grew up in an age where the one drop rule was necessary for her to get on with life and her mother taught her that. Her mom told her that you will have to identify with what you see in the mirror, because that's how the rest of AMERICA will see her.
And yes, I do agree had both Vanessa and Halle been born in a country where the REVERSE of the one drop rule is the norm (meaning one drop of WHITE blood makes you NOT BLACK), then they would claim whatever the country would classify them as.
The point being is that some of those women in that stupid and degrading documentary are AAs where both parents would be classified as black, unless one of them says that they are of the product of parents from two different races.
The woman in the 1st photo has an Arabic name. More than likely her father is an African Muslim man.
A mixed race woman is not a black American woman. She is simply a mixed race woman who identifies as a black American woman.
This is speculation on your part for the Arabic name. One of her parents could have been an African American who converted to Islam, or another whatever else.
And who died and made you the sole judge of who is or isn't Black, or what people are?
It gets really obnoxious when a Black person (if you are Black) decides to be the spoke person and the sole definer of who isn't or isn't Black. And if you're not Black, you're even more obnoxious.
For whatever reason, a bunch of African descended women with kinky hair decided to let people touch their hair and do a documentary about it. Period. You don't have to like it. But its a free country and just as you don't have to like it, they don't have to care and can do as they please.
The woman would be viewed as biracial or mixed-race here as well, because she has TWO PARENTS of different races. The one drop rule doesn't apply like that anymore.
No, Vanessa Williams is viewed as BLACK, because both of her parents are of mixed or whole African Ancestry.
Halle Berry grew up in an age where the one drop rule was necessary for her to get on with life and her mother taught her that. Her mom told her that you will have to identify with what you see in the mirror, because that's how the rest of AMERICA will see her.
And yes, I do agree had both Vanessa and Halle been born in a country where the REVERSE of the one drop rule is the norm (meaning one drop of WHITE blood makes you NOT BLACK), then they would claim whatever the country would classify them as.
The point being is that some of those women in that stupid and degrading documentary are AAs where both parents would be classified as black, unless one of them says that they are of the product of parents from two different races.
Genetically, Vanessa Williams is nearly half white/European. As Vanessa says on ancestry.com
"My DNA breaks down as follows: I’m 23% from Ghana, 17% from the British Isles, 15% from Cameroon, 12% Finnish, 11% Southern European, 7% Togo, 6% Benin, 5% Senegal and 4% Portuguese."
As for Halle Berry, in the 90s when she first came out she mainly appeared in Black movies. In those days she was involved with Black men. When she achieved mainstream success, she started dating white men and had children with white men. I don't know that she necessarily identifies as Black. I think she had to say she identified as Black originally because she she first came out as an actress, the few roles available to mixed race people would have been movies and shows aimed towards Blacks. As far as actors go, the film industry has become more diverse (and she achieved mainstream success) so there's not so much of a need for her to identify as Black.
Genetically, Vanessa Williams is nearly half white/European. As Vanessa says on ancestry.com
"My DNA breaks down as follows: I’m 23% from Ghana, 17% from the British Isles, 15% from Cameroon, 12% Finnish, 11% Southern European, 7% Togo, 6% Benin, 5% Senegal and 4% Portuguese."
As for Halle Berry, in the 90s when she first came out she mainly appeared in Black movies. In those days she was involved with Black men. When she achieved mainstream success, she started dating white men and had children with white men. I don't know that she necessarily identifies as Black. I think she had to say she identified as Black originally because she she first came out as an actress, the few roles available to mixed race people would have been movies and shows aimed towards Blacks. As far as actors go, the film industry has become more diverse (and she achieved mainstream success) so there's not so much of a need for her to identify as Black.
To my knowledge, Halle identifies her daughter as black:
But irrespective of what Halle states, her daughter's genotype is 75% European.
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