Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
For what it's worth,there is a piece in today's post about the national trend of crime rates over the last 20 years.Down 70 plus percent over the last 20 years nationally, with an up trend the last 2 years that they admit is a reporting statistical error.
So how can any one individual claim credit for something that was a national trend ? That's just ridiculous.Let's try to look at facts and use our heads around here.
Anyone going to accuse The Post of being pro De Blasio because they are pointing out that crime is down nationally by the same % as in NYC over the last 20 years ?
Crime did go down nationally in general during that period.
However, how do explain how other major cities, which have much smaller population than NYC, like Detroit, DC, Chicago have a much higher rate of violent crime and murder than NYC? Its no coincidence.
Crime did go down nationally in general during that period.
However, how do explain how other major cities, which have much smaller population than NYC, like Detroit, DC, Chicago have a much higher rate of violent crime and murder than NYC? Its no coincidence.
But there are more,like Boston ,San Francisco and Washington DC that have had the same decrease.As far as I know,Guiliani,Bloomberg and Kelly weren't at work in these places.Tom Menino has been the mayor of Boston for over 20 years and has presided over the same dramatic decrease in crime but you don't hear him taking credit for it there.He didn't need to.He had other accomplishments that got him re elected over and over and over again.Even after 20 years,he could have been mayor for another 8 or 12 years if he wanted it.
It's the places that haven't seen a decrease that are the anomaly.Everywhere else has been just riding the trend.
"The ragged, jagged, terrifying crime spree that peaked in the early 1990s was not unique to New York. It was a nationwide bloodletting, afflicting cities small, medium and large. And two other horsemen of the apocalypse, the epidemics of crack and AIDS, galloped hard in those years.
In Los Angeles, homicides peaked at 1,092 in 1992; the total stood at 292 last year. In Washington, D.C., homicides hit a high of 482 in 1991; the number stood at 88 on Monday. Dallas recorded 500 in 1991; it had 154 in 2012. In Chicago, homicides crested at 942 in 1991 and stood at 500 last year.
Policing had a hand in this decline, along with demographics and the brave willingness of neighbors to organize and fight back. This was particularly true in New York City, where crime has fallen far faster than the national average."
So basically, the people in the neighborhoods themselves were factors in the crime reduction. Not only in community organizing to fight back, it became a lot less popular to do crack and certain other drugs after people saw how many people either directly died from drugs or got Aids and died from drugs. Or killed each other. The self destruction played a big role in the decline in crime.
The Times article is saying that there are many different factors in the reduction of crime, and it happened nationally in all major cities. Its not a matter of Giuliani and Bloomberg being some sort of magical saviors.
The once proud grey lady is so hell bent to the left they have zero validity. I do enjoy their travel and real estate sections. Unfortunately I cancelled my subscription while still living in Riverdale.
The guy who's always forgotten is Jack Maple. He's the actual brains and the originator of Compstat. Bratton who was the Transit commish pre merge liked the ideas Maple was doing. Transit was seeing huge drops in crime compared to their counterparts in the NYPD and Housing. When Rudy became Mayor he appointed Bratton who in turn bought along his trusted LT from Transit Maple. The rest his history. BTW one of the head b@llbusters at Comstat Ed Norris parlayed his success into the HBO hit The Wire.
And many of these people eventually left the NYPD and evangelized the the techniques the NYPD started around the country, and still do. Currently Bratton is, IIRC, running the LAPD. NY was at the forefront of the turn around, and even on a national basis, drove it by example, and by development of the techniques that were used nationally.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwood Boy
The guy who's always forgotten is Jack Maple. He's the actual brains and the originator of Compstat. Bratton who was the Transit commish pre merge liked the ideas Maple was doing. Transit was seeing huge drops in crime compared to their counterparts in the NYPD and Housing. When Rudy became Mayor he appointed Bratton who in turn bought along his trusted LT from Transit Maple. The rest his history. BTW one of the head b@llbusters at Comstat Ed Norris parlayed his success into the HBO hit The Wire.
And what do you think ended the crack era? It was the combination of much more intensive policing, and tougher laws (a lot of this was at the federal level. Look at the difference in sentencing between convictions for trafficing powder cocaine vs crack.)
Quote:
Originally Posted by NooYowkur81
To give two individuals all the credit was always silly. Clearly the end of the crack era was a huge factor.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
