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Old 11-13-2013, 08:08 AM
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I don't know if he'll blame him but Bloomberg clearly kicked that can down the road. You can't deny that.
Yes you can - he didn't kick it down the road - Bloomberg told them it wasn't happening, end of story. If the next mayor was so inclined, he could take the same position "There is no issue, because its not happening."

"Kicking the can" langauge is based on a presumption there is an issue that there should be some form of retroactive pay. If De Blasio decides he will negotiate, then he has chosen to make it an issue.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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I'd give them a new contract with an employment at will clause stating that they can be canned anytime with or without reason just like how my contract in the private sector is.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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Yes you can - he didn't kick it down the road - Bloomberg told them it wasn't happening, end of story. If the next mayor was so inclined, he could take the same position "There is no issue, because its not happening."

"Kicking the can" langauge is based on a presumption there is an issue that there should be some form of retroactive pay. If De Blasio decides he will negotiate, then he has chosen to make it an issue.
Bloomberg was willing to give the unions small increases in wages. They didn't get what they wanted, and refused to negotiate further. It wasn't entirely Bloomberg fault or credit. They were hoping the next mayor would be liberal and give them what they want. Only they underestimated the effects of federal cuts to the city. De Blasio cannot give them what they want without bankrupting the city, and if that were to happen you'd have massive layoffs anyway. So the unions played themselves.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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Bloomberg was willing to give the unions small increases in wages. They didn't get what they wanted, and refused to negotiate further.
Isn't that what MEDIATION is for?
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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Well then that's a clause they need to STRIKE.
Uh, learn some facts, kid - NYS has a law on the books preventing public workers from striking called the Taylor Law:

Taylor Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"One of the most controversial parts of the Taylor Law is Section 210, which prohibits New York state public employees from striking, compelling binding PERB arbitration in the event of an impasse in negotiations."
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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HA! I noted this in the other thread! post #190

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Old 11-13-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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Most unions have a no strike clause
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Uh, learn some facts, kid - NYS has a law on the books preventing public workers from striking called the Taylor Law:

Taylor Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"One of the most controversial parts of the Taylor Law is Section 210, which prohibits New York state public employees from striking, compelling binding PERB arbitration in the event of an impasse in negotiations."
tell that to the MTA
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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"......they argue that the city has a moral obligation to compensate them for the years without a raise."

that sentence really humored me for some reason

so if there is deflation or the economy goes to hell....does the union morally give back their salaries?

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Old 11-13-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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tell that to the MTA
The MTA unions were fined at one million per day during the duration of the strike, and the union leader was jailed. Due to this pressure, the last MTA strike lasted only one week.

If not for the law against essential service unions striking, imagine if the public transportation network shut down for a month. It would destroy NYC economically. Or if Con Edison went on strike for a month (again, destruction of NY's economy). Ditto Verizon or AT&T.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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Unions = legalized extortion

^^^^^^^^^
This!!!!!
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