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Old 11-28-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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this has been on my mind for over 25 years and it may have even been considered before the idea was dropped

extending I 80 eastward (which currently ends at I 95 north and south in Teaneck NJ near the GWB) and a little northward to cross the Hudson at Alpine/Tenafly, NJ into Yonkers, connect right up with the Cross County Parkway in Yonkers, extend past the Hutchinson Pkwy interchange and leave new Rochelle via a bridge for (is it Oyster Bay?) to hook up with the LIE or run separately to the end of LI

obviously this would smash a superhighway thru wealthy Bergen County communities and probably force widening of the Cr County in Westchester as well as create a superhighway in wealthy New Rochelle, not to mention constructing 2 crossings for the Hudson and LI Sound

any ideas?

even if you think its not realistic(which most likely it isn't), do you think it would actually lessen traffic congestion? it would divert traffic away from NY City for those travelling from New England to parts of LI, and do same for those coming into NY who would have used I 95 to get to LI or New England.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Every road and highway that has ever been constructed to lessen traffic congestion has always resulted in just the opposite,more traffic congestion.As soon as they build the roads, the developers start building the attractions that bring more and more people.It's a never ending cycle.

So,no,I don't think it would lessen congestion.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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Residents off Sands Point Long Island will never allow a bridge with the potential to bring high volume traffic through its neighborhood.
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Every road and highway that has ever been constructed to lessen traffic congestion has always resulted in just the opposite,more traffic congestion.As soon as they build the roads, the developers start building the attractions that bring more and more people.It's a never ending cycle.

So,no,I don't think it would lessen congestion.
This is dead on. Robert Caro's biography of Robert Moses, "the Power Broker", provides plenty of evidence of this.
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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This is dead on. Robert Caro's biography of Robert Moses, "the Power Broker", provides plenty of evidence of this.
Quite right, if you build it they will come. Which is why local residents often will fight to the death against highway expansion in many areas. In fact they often do not want mass transit expanded either, nothing that will allow the potential for increasing density.
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Old 11-29-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They should create another bridge that connects NJ to NYC on 59th street - West Side Highway.
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Old 11-29-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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They should create another bridge that connects NJ to NYC on 59th street - West Side Highway.
Thought about this yesterday sitting in traffic going to the Lincoln Tunnel into NJ.

Bridges require too many reviews and can pose problems with ships which IIRC is one of the reasons the GWB was located in its' present site.

That would leave a tunnel and while still very expensive would pose all sorts of logistical problems. The environmental impact studies alone would probably take one or more decades.

First would be the taking of land on both sides of the Hudson by the PA for the approaches, ventilation, etc... Hudson River side property has become *VERY* hot right now so would expect developers to give up such property cheaply. Then there would be consideration for displaced residents. The MTA had huge problems relocating persons from the buildings taken along Second Avenue for construction of the various stations and so froth as part of that new subway line. In addition the remaining community is not likely to welcome the increase noise and pollution from traffic.

On the NJ side whatever is built must connect with the NJTP and or GSPW to be of any use. Not sure how to pull off that one as it certainly would mean taking a good deal of land displacing many homes and businesses.
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Old 11-29-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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According to Caro's book if Moses had had his way Manhattan Island would have been sliced and diced with highways like a piece of cheese. Including a highway smack through Greenwich Village. Moses was like a bull in a china shop.
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Old 11-29-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You know what will reduce traffic, imo?
Fully self-driven cars.

Cars equipped with sensors, GPS, and all the necessary technology to replace human driven vehicles.

It only takes 1 bad driver to jam miles of a road or highway.

This will happen one day, I'm sure, it's just a matter of time.
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Old 11-29-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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According to Caro's book if Moses had had his way Manhattan Island would have been sliced and diced with highways like a piece of cheese. Including a highway smack through Greenwich Village. Moses was like a bull in a china shop.
Proposed Greenwich Village/SoHo/Tribeca expressway was the beginning of the end for Robert Moses and those that believed American cities were best served as being carved up by highways.

Mr. Moses had faced opposition before to his plans, but always managed to get what he wanted in the end. So much so that he was rude, distainful , and down right arrogant towards those that stood in his way including the "little people". That Jane Jacobs and a bunch of rag tag housewives, "kooks", and assorted others that lived in the affected area came out against Moses was not new, but that they gained traction and defeated the man was news.

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