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How is LIC comparable to brownstone Brooklyn? LIC has long since attracted business tenants so the effects of business moving in is obvious. You have Citi, Jetblue, LGACC, UNFCU and previously, Fresh Direct operating from there. It's a business district.
Who was comparing it to brownstone Brooklyn? LIC is a neighborhood that has seen its residents average incomes increase drastically due to those moving in from elsewhere.
Who was comparing it to brownstone Brooklyn? LIC is a neighborhood that has seen its residents average incomes increase drastically due to those moving in from elsewhere.
So why did you mention LIC???
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Originally Posted by G-Dale
What if new richer people moved in due to additional residential developments without actually replacing the older and poorer inhabitants (e.g., LIC)? Revitalization?
Put it another way - there are many factors that drove the change in LIC and new richer people moving in (whether or not they displaced poorer residents) could arguably not be the dominant driver of this change. Those businesses in LIC lilkely helped defray the cost of the areas aesthetic improvements.
So to cut the chase, what happened in LIC is not an analogy for what is likely happening in ENY.
Because it fit in perfectly with the original definition provided and I had an example from a conversation a week ago with someone I know that moved there.
Put it another way - there are many factors that drove the change in LIC and new richer people moving in (whether or not they displaced poorer residents) could arguably not be the dominant driver of this change. Those businesses in LIC lilkely helped defray the cost of the areas aesthetic improvements.
So to cut the chase, what happened in LIC is not an analogy for what is likely happening in ENY.
Nothing is happening in ENY (south of Atlantic ave). So lets get that out of the way.
And if something did happen in ENY, my guess is that they will build new construction in the more industrial areas as a starting point (like in LIC).
Because it fit in perfectly with the original definition provided and I had an example from a conversation a week ago with someone I know that moved there.
Then whoever you talked to has probably not factored in the presence of large companies and their possible contribution to LIC's development. Like I said earlier, it's a business district.
As for ENY - Nothing is happening anywhere there. Everything that has been discussed so far in this thread is largely what-if and the point being if anywhere in ENY improved (IF), it would be as a result of gentrification - richer people moving in and displacing the poorer people. But yes to date nothing is going on there.
Excluding Spring Creek/Starrett City (and it's gateway mall and newer residential properties), Cypress Hills and City Line (which improved in terms of safety and some family businesses). East New York did see newer developments on the housing front in the last 10 years. A lot of infill were added to the green space. It appears visually much better than what it was.
I don't think anyone is claiming that revitalization cannot turn into gentrification....we are just explaining the difference between the 2.
I know. I was just providing an example to support your statement regarding how it can transition from one to the other. And we have plenty of gentrification examples. I also provided LIC as a revitalization example. Any other examples for revitalization without gentrification as an aftermath? So far it seems like revitalization is simply just marketing for gentrification.
Look to the Bronx..the largest example of revitalization without gentrification...and specifically the Melrose neighborhood which has been literally rebuilt brick by brick. This is the latest and last mega development for the Melrose community as there are no other large vacant parcels left:
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