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All Brooklyn has going for itself is being a "part of NYC".
All New Jersey has going or itself is being "near NYC".
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But even in that regard, I would say Queens has surpassed Brooklyn.
Because as we've established, you like the suburbs.
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If you take any NJ County and pit against Brooklyn, you will see NJ county having better schools
Debatable.
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lower cost of living
Because they get a discount for living in the middle of nowhere.
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more space for your buck
Because 2.5 million people share Brooklyn.
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more educated people
NJ has among the Worst schools in the country, and worst school taxes in the country.
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better athletics
Well, there aren't really any big college programs in Brooklyn, so..
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better shopping
If you like malls.
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easier to take road trips
More than half of Brooklynites don't own a car. Kinda redundant. That's like saying New Jersey is awful for public transportation. It is. Because it's not for non-drivers, just as most of NYC isn't made for drivers.
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just better overall living, and we have the better beaches.
Brookyn barely has any beaches anymore. Most of them were destroyed to make way for the Belt Parkway. Long Island has better beaches than the Jersey Shore.
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If there is any hate, it is just jealousy
Jealousy of what? You lost the Nets and didn't even get credit for your own Super Bowl. The Governor doesn't even root for any teams who play in your state.
Many of us in Brooklyn have childhood memories of road trips to Pennsylvania or upstate New York where the inevitable question would come up, "Daddy what's that smell?".
"Oh, that's just New Jersey," was the reply.
I'm not sure what that stink was back then. Some said it was from the oil refineries. It's gotten better but there are still days when one can "smell New Jersey" in Brooklyn and Staten Island. New Jersey is quite sensitive about it and insists it's not them, like some guy who farted in an elevator.
The refineries just brings NJ more engineers, technical specialists, and the brains that go along with that industry. If the smell is the price we pay, that's fine.
Everybody hates NJ. Even people from NJ. It's known as the armpit of the nation (Cleveland is the other armpit, despite the geographic nonsensity). Leads the nation in Superfund sites (more than California, despite being a tiny fraction of the size). Toll roads; you pay to leave. Refinery stench. Newark and Camden. What's not to hate?
Brooklyn is a county though: king's county. Brooklyn has some nice parts as well.
But New Jersey doesn't have a county with as much continuous density. What county in NJ would have the same overall urban landscape as Brooklyn? Brooklyn's street grid even extends outside of its own county border, continuously flowing into Queens.
To make it a fair comparison, you have to take the urban parts of NJ and put them up against Brooklyn. Like Newark, JC, Patterson, etc...
Williamsburg areas in Bklyn very similar to Hoboken although the edge goes to Hoboken because it's slightly bigger with newer stores and businesses. Traffic in both towns are equally bad.
Newark right now is similar to the downtown Bklyn of the 90s, a lot of businesses there and workers during the day but by night time crime is very common.
Patterson is more like Jamaica Queens. There is a fair amount of crime but right next to expensive towns in a very suburban area.
The main difference between Brooklyn and NJ is that NJ has a growing middle class, a lot of Brooklyn, SI, and Queens folks go to NJ to buy a home and start a family because they've been priced out of NYC.
Brooklyn is losing the middle class especially those with children the other gain is more immigrants flock to Brooklyn along with richer whites that are priced out of Manhattan.
JC overall very similar to all of Brooklyn, there are some parts that are bad some high end areas, and parking has always been difficult in Brooklyn and JC as well.
I lived in Brooklyn for about 6 yrs and left for NJ because I don't think a middle class family can raise children comfortably in Brooklyn anymore.
Williamsburg areas in Bklyn very similar to Hoboken although the edge goes to Hoboken because it's slightly bigger with newer stores and businesses. Traffic in both towns are equally bad.
Newark right now is similar to the downtown Bklyn of the 90s, a lot of businesses there and workers during the day but by night time crime is very common.
Patterson is more like Jamaica Queens. There is a fair amount of crime but right next to expensive towns in a very suburban area.
The main difference between Brooklyn and NJ is that NJ has a growing middle class, a lot of Brooklyn, SI, and Queens folks go to NJ to buy a home and start a family because they've been priced out of NYC.
Brooklyn is losing the middle class especially those with children the other gain is more immigrants flock to Brooklyn along with richer whites that are priced out of Manhattan.
JC overall very similar to all of Brooklyn, there are some parts that are bad some high end areas, and parking has always been difficult in Brooklyn and JC as well.
I lived in Brooklyn for about 6 yrs and left for NJ because I don't think a middle class family can raise children comfortably in Brooklyn anymore.
My point is that Brooklyn is much larger than anywhere in NJ from an urban point of view. From Williamsburg to Downtown Brooklyn to Jamaica it is nonstop block by block sprawl on a connecting grid (although I'd say that the Van Wyck separates Jamaica). It is neighborhood after neighborhood that are not only just connected by a street grid but by shared public transportation. Hoboken, Newark and Patterson are very disrict from each other. Even seperated by physical boundaries such as rivers and swamps that are probably half the size in square foot size than the entire county of Brooklyn. Can't really walk, bike or jump on a subway to get from one to another. It is an odd comparison to make, Brooklyn vs any NJ county.
The refineries just brings NJ more engineers, technical specialists, and the brains that go along with that industry. If the smell is the price we pay, that's fine.
Other than lower gas prices because they don't have to truck the gas very far to the stations, how have the "brains that go along with that industry" benefited the average NJ resident? It's not like Alaska where they cut you all a check every year, is it? The only beneficiaries of oil in New Jersey are those involved in environmental cleanups.
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