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Exactly. When talking to my father, he told that when he first arrived (1979) there were very few Russian-speakers outside of Brighton. It wasn't until the late 80s/early 90s that the population really exploded into the rest of Southern Brooklyn.
Yes, the Russian population started in Brighton Beach and spread outward.
It didn't hit Bensonhurst/Midwood/Bay Ridge areas until around 1995 or so. It hit Sheepshead and Kings Hwy. a little earlier, I think.
Basically any area in South Brooklyn that has white ethnics and which isn't Hasidic Jewish will have a decent-sized Russian population.
My statistics were the actual NYC govt stats. Your stats show that 39,000 arrived in the 70s, and 84,000 arrived in the 80s. It doesn't show the 90s stats though, so I don't see your point.
The 90's number is skewed because it included data added to Russia from Armenia,
Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan. Look up after 2000 and the number dropped dramatically. Numbers based from DHS (incl NY) are basically wrong for that period and were corrected in 2010.
The 90's number is skewed because it included data added to Russia from Armenia,
Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan. Look up after 2000 and the number dropped dramatically. Numbers based from DHS (incl NY) are basically wrong for that period and were corrected in 2010.
Scroll to page 28 and it breaks it down by Soviet country, and it still clearly shows that immigration numbers were much higher in the 90s than in the 70s or 80s.
Scroll to page 28 and it breaks it down by Soviet country, and it still clearly shows that immigration numbers were much higher in the 90s than in the 70s or 80s.
You do know you are comparing the 1997 book to the 2011 book? The numbers from the 90's were wrong due to the fact of when the USSR broke up. People were duplicated in two lists because of when they separated from the USSR.
You do know you are comparing the 1997 book to the 2011 book? The numbers from the 90's were wrong due to the fact of when the USSR broke up. People were duplicated in two lists because of when they separated from the USSR.
Regardless, the stats remain true. The biggest Russian wave was in the late 80s and 90s, both for Jews and Slavs. You can refer to any of the other statistics for this too.
And there are more Russians in South Brooklyn now than back then.
For example, 18th Ave. in Bensonhurst was solid Italian until the mid-1990's or so. Then you got more Russians on the Southern end and more Chinese on the northern end, and more recently, Hasidics from Borough Park.
Sheepshead and Kings Hwy was more a mix of Irish/Italian/some Jewish but Russians started appearing in the early 90's and are now probably the biggest ethnic group.
Brighton Beach has been Russian since the 80's.
Bay Ridge didn't get Russians until the 90's. I think Midwood/Kensington areas is also more recent.
And there are more Russians in South Brooklyn now than back then.
For example, 18th Ave. in Bensonhurst was solid Italian until the mid-1990's or so. Then you got more Russians on the Southern end and more Chinese on the northern end, and more recently, Hasidics from Borough Park.
Sheepshead and Kings Hwy was more a mix of Irish/Italian/some Jewish but Russians started appearing in the early 90's and are now probably the biggest ethnic group.
Brighton Beach has been Russian since the 80's.
Bay Ridge didn't get Russians until the 90's. I think Midwood/Kensington areas is also more recent.
Yeah, and as someone who can converse in Russian, most of the Russian-speakers here did not arrive in the 70s, but in the 90s. There were even many who came in the 2000s, though most of them were Slavic, not Jewish.
I only know a few who came in the 70s, and they are definitely in the minority.
There were even many who came in the 2000s, though most of them were Slavic, not Jewish.
I only know a few who came in the 70s, and they are definitely in the minority.
Maybe it's because Bay Ridge is not historically a very Jewish area, but I have noticed that most Russians I know from there are Slavic Russians/Former Soviet and not Jewish, and especially came very recently. Many are young and on tourist or work visas.
Then in Queens there's a totally different former Soviet population of Bukharan Jews, who live around Rego Park/Forest Hills area mostly, and also came in the 1990's, I think.
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