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Old 02-25-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Then, how can the report delineate how many vehicles were NYPD, how many were FDNY, and how many were federal?
because they either had that placard on the dash when towed or showed those credentials when picking up. The placards do not give you the right to park in front of a fire hydrant, bus stop, or crosswalk as an example

NYPD tow crews look the other way but Internal Affairs is there to enforce what the cops refuse to
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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Federal jurisdiction trumps local. Basically, if they feds really want to, they can park wherever they please (if it's an official vehicle on official business.) I bet they could charge someone who tried to tow such a vehicle away with some crime relating to interfering with a federal agent and/or interfering with federal gov't property.

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interesting article, I've encountered this unit before.



you make 0 sense with this post.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Federal jurisdiction trumps local. Basically, if they feds really want to, they can park wherever they please (if it's an official vehicle on official business.) I bet they could charge someone who tried to tow such a vehicle away with some crime relating to interfering with a federal agent and/or interfering with federal gov't property.
Yes, and I know of "Brownies" who got arrested for screwing with fed vehicles during an operation. One IAB sgt almost got arrested by my former ASAC for also being stupid.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:31 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Federal jurisdiction trumps local. Basically, if they feds really want to, they can park wherever they please (if it's an official vehicle on official business.) I bet they could charge someone who tried to tow such a vehicle away with some crime relating to interfering with a federal agent and/or interfering with federal gov't property.
this is still wrong.

federal agencies have no jurisdiction within the confines of the several states, unless jurisdiction is ceded to them by the state or local government via an MOU (article points out nypd issues the placards, which has certain restrictions) or there is an interstate affair or happenings going on (parking enforcement isn't even a state matter, 100% local).

think about this while watching your evening LE tv shows, if it was illegal it would have stopped after incident # 1.


the reason no fine is collected is that local or state gov'ts cannot impose money fines or levies on the federal government.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:37 PM
 
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touching on the issue further, federal law supercedes state and local law when in conflict thanks to the supremacy clause but only if the state waives it's right to nullify, then it only applies within federal jurisdictions and territories.

look up Colorado weed laws for reference during law and order commercial breaks.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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This is incorrect. They Fed COULD enforce federal drug laws in CO and WA, even over the objections of the state. They are choosing not to. Both sides have said so much.

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touching on the issue further, federal law supercedes state and local law when in conflict thanks to the supremacy clause but only if the state waives it's right to nullify, then it only applies within federal jurisdictions and territories.

look up Colorado weed laws for reference during law and order commercial breaks.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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You're still wrong, they can enforce it in a federal court which is not Colorado.

Local government can bar any and all federal agents from acting as law enforcement within Colorado in regards to anything that is intrastate.

Now understand the difference between can and will, and can't and won't. They pick their battles.

cheers man enjoy your evening.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Federal jurisdiction covers the entire country (and in many cases the entire world).

Even if there was no federal court in the state of Colorado (which there is, btw - Contact Us | US District Court of Colorado ) the physical court can be in another state, and still try cases from CO.

The only reason the feds aren't shutting down CO pot business is that they don't have the manpower to do vast numbers of small cases. They want the big dealers. There's also political pressure not to, since the state level legalization was passed by referendum. But if the now quasi-legal "dispensaries" try to do out of state business, the feds will squash them like bugs.

And no state can bar a federal agent from enforcing federal law.

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You're still wrong, they can enforce it in a federal court which is not Colorado.

Local government can bar any and all federal agents from acting as law enforcement within Colorado in regards to anything that is intrastate.

Now understand the difference between can and will, and can't and won't. They pick their battles.

cheers man enjoy your evening.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:20 AM
 
Location: NYC
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ok you articulate well and made your case I'm convinced now.
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