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View Poll Results: Are You in Favor of Charter Schools?
Yes 41 46.07%
No 39 43.82%
Undecided 9 10.11%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-07-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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Oh yes of course, I'm completely inventing the notion that the UFT is against non-unionized charters and have heavy influence over city politics. What was I thinking, obviously if the charters appealed just to the city they would have gotten off the ground, there's no need to bypass those special interests and go to the State level - duh!!!

Guess what? It's not just the UFT against non-unionized charters (and a lot of charters are unionized btw). It's parents of traditional public school students who don't want their kids to lose half their school building to make room for another "school" that is playing by its own rules. It's also citizens who realize how silly it is that charter schools are getting credit for educating kids much easier to educate and free of distractions that come in traditional schools. Rather than finding a way to limit the distractions so all kids get a good education, charters are just taking the good kids with involved parents and saying they deserve more resources because they are doing a job.
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Old 03-09-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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Legitimate argument against charters?
If profits are taken out of the budget, it must come from somewhere...and that somewhere is education.

If someone want to open a private school he is free to do so WITH HIS OWN MONEY.
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Old 03-09-2014, 09:35 AM
 
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Charter Schools have too much freedom, some individuals receive too much pay as staff, and there is no control mechanism other then to totally eliminate funding.

So no justification exist for charter or magnet schools. The cure is overhaul of system and to actually require passing classes which have standards instead of lowering standards so no one is left behind.
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:30 AM
 
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It's wrong to not take on the lesser students and claim you are better. Plus public education is supposed to educate all. Charters are acting like private schools only they are using public money. If they can't follow public school rules, they should not get public money. I'm all for grouping kids by ability to make class time more efficient, but you can't deny the "bad" kids education either. Charters are an alternative that is fraudulent and not sustainable.
Best LEGITIMATE argument against Charter Schools in the thread

id just add that Public education IS Supposed to educate all
and if you dont want unionized teachers teaching your kids
send your kids to PRIVATE schools
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:50 AM
 
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Best LEGITIMATE argument against Charter Schools in the thread

id just add that Public education IS Supposed to educate all
and if you dont want unionized teachers teaching your kids
send your kids to PRIVATE schools
...Said the union worker.
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Old 03-10-2014, 07:22 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Charter Schools have too much freedom, some individuals receive too much pay as staff, and there is no control mechanism other then to totally eliminate funding.
Too much freedom? How else are you going to find out what works? DOE schools are generally so regimented and stuck in their ways that it's almost impossible to make fundamental changes, because there's no guarantee of success - so why try. With charters it's generally fresh blood and fresh thinking, implementation of new advances in education. If nothing else, the DOE will be able to point to things that are working in charters and have good motivation to implement them
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Old 03-10-2014, 07:25 AM
 
Location: New York City
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id just add that Public education IS Supposed to educate all
Absolutely, and charters do educate all. The admissions process is random selection, and no special needs or disabled child can be denied placement. The problem is that a lot of parents are not very involved in their kids education and have no idea there's an alternative to their zoned school. Usually when those types find out, it's time to start school at that ship has sailed. It's not that the kid was denied by the charter, the kid was denied by his/her parent(s)
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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Absolutely, and charters do educate all. The admissions process is random selection, and no special needs or disabled child can be denied placement. The problem is that a lot of parents are not very involved in their kids education and have no idea there's an alternative to their zoned school. Usually when those types find out, it's time to start school at that ship has sailed. It's not that the kid was denied by the charter, the kid was denied by his/her parent(s)
And if you think they don't find a way to get around that, then I have a bridge to sell you. As for the parents, you are only making the point that it IS the parents and not the schools that fail. So why blame teachers unions and "failing schools"?
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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...Said the union worker.
Said the THIEF who wants to take PUBLIC money to PAY for his kids PRIVATE school
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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And if you think they don't find a way to get around that, then I have a bridge to sell you. As for the parents, you are only making the point that it IS the parents and not the schools that fail. So why blame teachers unions and "failing schools"?
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