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Old 03-16-2014, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Then if it's bootlegged it wasn't sold because the aritst made no money off of it and the RIAA sales records stand.

Oh, and anyone can illegally download music, so all categories of music are bootlegged to some degree. The bottom line is those are the sales records and where the industry is making its money.
I meant bootlegged off the street. You won't find underground bootleg shops in white areas. Go to Hispanic or black areas and you will see a ton. Only difference now is that they don't do it on the street they do it in the back of stores.

 
Old 03-16-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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To all of those out there that are not african americans......Please don't think that the thoughts of this guy represent the thoughts of the black community as a whole. He has his own personal agenda and his own issues that he needs to work out. There are many of us that actually want to see our own people do better. I have dedicated the last 10 years of my life to doing this. And I have seen progress in my own circle as an educator. If black people could collectively come together things would get a little better. But there will always be road blacks and there will always be people that have their own personal agenda and turn their backs on their own people without a second thought. I have accepted this fact. Will continue to do my part.
Agreed i feel the same way. Right now I like to teaching my black brothers about the power of economics.

This one friend I knew wanted Trade in his car for a bmw6 just to show off. But i spoke to him and now with his money he has plans to open up a business in the north Bronx.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Manhattan, NYC
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Why would I prefer to be around my own "race" and deal with people if they are going to behave as some of my relatives did (crimes that may include MURDER)? I'd much rather be with law abiding people of any race, and I don't specifically count people as this or that.

And no, not all of my negative experiences came from my own FAMILY. Suffice to say I've known other "minorities" like that. That doesn't mean that I don't know successful or professional minorities, as I certainly do. It does mean I am not acting as a social worker/welfare case worker/Mother Teresa figure for people who are SCUM of any race.

I owe Blacks no more loyalty than I owe any other human being.
I actually agree that the "ethnic origin" should not be considered when making friends, or helping people, or doing any action.
Now that being said, I cannot say we should not help people as that does not seem right.

I lived almost 15 years in Africa during my youth, and have known many many people from this place. Therefore, I feel very close to Africans wherever I am. Now from those people, I can tell you with certainty that many are quite successful. And I am proud to say that one of my friends in the laser industry who graduated his PhD at France's best engineering school - Polytechnique - and has double Master degrees from another top French engineering school in physics and chemistry (ESPCI) & Imperial College in London, was recently considered as one of the most highly educated person of his country, if not the highest.

In the end, it all depends of the path you went through as an individual. I went to one of those engineering school in France and this is why I think many persons that I know are "successful" and by that, I mean they do not struggle to earn a good amount of money and live well (and get married, have children...). It's closely correlated to your field of studies and to the friends that you make.

I also understand that some communities would have more difficulties to "provide" those successful students & professionals because of the social & economic constraints they are going through, but the solution is in early education, and only that. Once children are better attracted to knowledge and will have the curiosity to get further by themselves, the most difficult part is done. The rest is just business as usual.

So the society as a whole should focus on providing better education and spark the light to those young children, and the colour of the skin certainly has no reason to be quoted, except for the constraints mentioned earlier, which might require a particular pedagogical approach rather than the classic one.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Manhattan, NYC
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Let me also add a story that was shared by one French author who was from Cameroon.

As an educator, he observed that many children from different origins performed well in schools (we're talking about middle school or earlier here) and were often interested in different fields. He also noticed that children were often saying that:

- They (or their ancestors) built this, or did that, etc etc

Every ethnic origin had something to say about their History but only black kids were not saying anything and remained quiet. However, one day, they had a class where they learned that the pyramids were created by Egyptians and that these people were... black. That was especially true for the lower (southern) Egpyt.

Once the black kids knew that, it changed their behaviour towards the class. They began talking about it, and they were much more confident in who they were. This also translated into better results in their exams.

In the end, it seems that having a referral which is not just a Hollywood star but something deep in History gave them the confidence they needed to feel good, feel worth, and perform at school. After all, if your ancestors did build one of the wonders of the world... you must be worth, right?
 
Old 03-16-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Who cares what your ancestors did or built? More important: what have YOU done or built?

One of Napoleon's generals, Marshal Bernadotte, was being put down by a French aristocrat because of his zero origins, whereas the nobleman's ancestor was King this or Duke that. Bernadotte said to the nobleman: "You are nothing but a descendant. I am an ancestor." Bernadotte eventually became King of Sweden.


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Let me also add a story that was shared by one French author who was from Cameroon.

As an educator, he observed that many children from different origins performed well in schools (we're talking about middle school or earlier here) and were often interested in different fields. He also noticed that children were often saying that:

- They (or their ancestors) built this, or did that, etc etc

Every ethnic origin had something to say about their History but only black kids were not saying anything and remained quiet. However, one day, they had a class where they learned that the pyramids were created by Egyptians and that these people were... black. That was especially true for the lower (southern) Egpyt.

Once the black kids knew that, it changed their behaviour towards the class. They began talking about it, and they were much more confident in who they were. This also translated into better results in their exams.

In the end, it seems that having a referral which is not just a Hollywood star but something deep in History gave them the confidence they needed to feel good, feel worth, and perform at school. After all, if your ancestors did build one of the wonders of the world... you must be worth, right?
 
Old 03-16-2014, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Manhattan, NYC
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Who cares what your ancestors did or built? More important: what have YOU done or built?

One of Napoleon's generals, Marshal Bernadotte, was being put down by a French aristocrat because of his zero origins, whereas the nobleman's ancestor was King this or Duke that. Bernadotte said to the nobleman: "You are nothing but a descendant. I am an ancestor." Bernadotte eventually became King of Sweden.
We are talking about children here. When you are 10 years old or less, you have not built or done anything, but we know that if they are not attracted by knowledge and curious enough, they will not make it. And confidence, is part of it. What your ancestors did does help to be confident, that's how kids work. On the side note, some are confident because their parents are powerful or wealthy. It's just the same logic.

Napoleon did not care about origins, that made him the "republican" in the French meaning, which is why he built the Polytechnique school in order to give a chance to the best officers even though they had no origins.

Bernadotte might have been king because the Swedish king was dying, but Napoleon is the greatest French emperor ever and that will never change .
 
Old 03-16-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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Who cares what your ancestors did or built? More important: what have YOU done or built?

One of Napoleon's generals, Marshal Bernadotte, was being put down by a French aristocrat because of his zero origins, whereas the nobleman's ancestor was King this or Duke that. Bernadotte said to the nobleman: "You are nothing but a descendant. I am an ancestor." Bernadotte eventually became King of Sweden.
Which is partially again why I emphasized the need for individualism. Notice how some Blacks on this forum think in terms of "we" and "our" to the point where there is almost no concept of individual achievement or initiative. Everything is for "the community", "the race", or in other words, the collective.

The concepts of this mindset are very different from the mainstream American concept of working hard and achieving things for yourself. To tell you the truth, I think collectivism/afrocentrist/socialist ideology has gone a long way towards hindering economic progress among a big percentage of people of African descent post colonialism and post civil rights as many Blacks adapted these ideologies which appear to be failed ideologies as communism as collapsed everywhere.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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Let me also add a story that was shared by one French author who was from Cameroon.

As an educator, he observed that many children from different origins performed well in schools (we're talking about middle school or earlier here) and were often interested in different fields. He also noticed that children were often saying that:

- They (or their ancestors) built this, or did that, etc etc

Every ethnic origin had something to say about their History but only black kids were not saying anything and remained quiet. However, one day, they had a class where they learned that the pyramids were created by Egyptians and that these people were... black. That was especially true for the lower (southern) Egpyt.

Once the black kids knew that, it changed their behaviour towards the class. They began talking about it, and they were much more confident in who they were. This also translated into better results in their exams.

In the end, it seems that having a referral which is not just a Hollywood star but something deep in History gave them the confidence they needed to feel good, feel worth, and perform at school. After all, if your ancestors did build one of the wonders of the world... you must be worth, right?



Black ppl built the pyramids? As for lower Eqypt, there was an area known as Nubia which is modern day Sudan. There is not much proof backing claims black ppl built the Pyramids. Have you seen the bust of King Tut? If anything, I think Ancient Eqypt was a mixed society....
 
Old 03-16-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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Black ppl built the pyramids? As for lower Eqypt, there was an area known as Nubia which is modern day Sudan. There is not much proof backing claims black ppl built the Pyramids. Have you seen the bust of King Tut? If anything, I think Ancient Eqypt was a mixed society....
 
Old 03-16-2014, 10:45 PM
 
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Which is partially again why I emphasized the need for individualism. Notice how some Blacks on this forum think in terms of "we" and "our" to the point where there is almost no concept of individual achievement or initiative. Everything is for "the community", "the race", or in other words, the collective.

The concepts of this mindset are very different from the mainstream American concept of working hard and achieving things for yourself. To tell you the truth, I think collectivism/afrocentrist/socialist ideology has gone a long way towards hindering economic progress among a big percentage of people of African descent post colonialism and post civil rights as many Blacks adapted these ideologies which appear to be failed ideologies as communism as collapsed everywhere.
There is nothing "Afrocentric" about a black person supporting another black person.

There is economic/military/intellectual/scientific weakness of black people. And this truth does not offend me.

If an "Afrocentric" person wishes to change what he or she sees, then by all means they can do so.

It has nothing to do with race or being naturally inferior. Lots of other groups UNDERPERFORM as well.

There are plenty of groups around the world that exist who wish to preserve their ethnic, cultural, religious, collective identity, or way of living. (pan-Arabs, Pennsylvania Dutch/Amish, Jews, Quebecois, and plenty of others are examples).

There is nothing wrong with this.

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