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Old 06-07-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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Apparently those complaining about New York City feeling more dangerous with rising vagrancy in recent years weren't all political bluster. Unfortunately, for those blaming De Blasio, it reflects part of a trend that was already accelerating under Bloomberg.



Explaining NYC's Record Homelessness In One Disastrous Chart | Zero Hedge
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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Homelessness in America is way up in general, it's not only a New York city problem.


And a bit off topic, but I was in London in the beginning of May and it felt was more grubby and dirty and full of vagrants than usual.

Now that I look it up, London's homeless population is also jumping.

Homelessness exodes in London and south-east England | Society | theguardian.com

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Old 06-07-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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New York City has a huge homeless problem for many reasons, some of them are their own fault.

NYC like NYS is one of if not the only place in the United States required to provide housing assistance upon demand. This has not been lost upon immigrants, unwed mothers, low income households, etc....

On the one hand NYC politicians lay out the welcome mat for immigrants of all sorts but never seems to have seriously contemplated where they are all going to live.

As for the rest the homeless problem has been building in NYC ever since Rudy G's push to turn Manhattan/NYC into place "safe" and "decent" for families to live in again. Well he and successive governments have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. People from all over the country and world are flocking to NYC to live. Problem is the principles of supply and demand have not been suspended. There is a great demand for housing but not enough of it (again in particular Manhattan), so prices are rising as landlords/owners realize they can get more, often much more in rent.

With the exception of RS or RC apartments there is very little to nil *affordable* housing for households earning <$50K/year in Manhattan below Harlem and increasingly that area and above as well. This is pushing persons out to Brooklyn, Queens and even the Bronx or SI where in turn those once living in *affordable* units are forced out as rents rise.

Most of the other problems are directly related to the very high cost of living in NYC and changes in the employment sector that increasingly is divided into employment that pays well to very well, and the rest.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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New York doesn't even rank in the top 10 in America terms of homeless rate.


Top 10 U.S. Cities With A High Homelessness Rate
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Westminster, London
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Homelessness in America is way up in general, it's not only a New York city problem.

I was in London in the beginning of May and it felt was more grubby and dirty and full of vagrants than usual.

Now that I look it up, London's homeless population has also exploded and it has the exact same number of homeless as New York, despite its smaller population.

Homelessness rises along with house prices in London and south-east | Society | theguardian.com
Sorry Montclair18, but this is not very convincing to someone who's lived here for 20 years.

Can you please spare your trolling for this thread? //www.city-data.com/forum/world...ncisco-45.html
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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Quite honestly many major urban areas in the USA (NYC, San Francisco, Boston) and Europe (London and Paris) are victims of their own success.

Back in the 1980's or 1970's *white flight* from cities was still in full force, but now thanks to various efforts the pattern has reversed. Not only aren't persons fleeing cities for the safety of the suburbs, but are moving to them in great numbers. This cannot help to affect demographics as those with higher education, skills and or income arrive and create pressure on those that do not have same.

In places like Manhattan/NYC increasingly there aren't any "bad* neighborhoods anymore. In San Francisco the only such place left is the Tenderloin district and it is barely fighting off gentrification.

Those of us who remember the club scene of the 1970's and 1980's in Manhattan know it grew largely because there were so many *bad* areas where real estate was cheap and no one really cared what went on there at night. Now of course things are different.

Was down by Laight Street early last week around 11PM and couldn't believe how "alive" Soho/Tribeca was so late at night. Persons out jogging, walking about, etc.. Indeed the UES seemed "dead" by comparison.

Indeed the West side from really Wall Street/Battery Park City all the way up to around the Lincoln tunnel area has changed. What were once was mostly industrial/commercial and or "low rent" residential has become one of the hottest areas in Manhattan. Well that in turn as pushed out those whom lived there for that exact reason, cheap (by NYC standards) housing.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Sorry Montclair18, but this is not very convincing to someone who's lived here for 20 years. ;)

Can you please spare your trolling for this thread? //www.city-data.com/forum/world...ncisco-45.html
Right. So anything negative involving London is "trolling" but you're free to spend your time trolling the New York boards.

Nothing going on in London? Like most Londoners, you seem to spend an awful amount of time thinking about New York. Inferiority complex? That thread is finished, there is nothing else to post there. No matter how many negative stories you can pull up, New York and San Francisco are both wealthier than London and nothing will change that. That ship sailed decades ago.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Westminster, London
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Right. So anything negative involving London is "trolling" but you're free to spend your time trolling the New York boards.

Nothing going on in London? Like most Londoners, you seem to spend an awful amount of time thinking about New York. Inferiority complex? That thread is finished, there is nothing else to post there. No matter how many negative stories you can pull up, New York and San Francisco are both wealthier than London and nothing will change that. That ship sailed decades ago.
You're free to say as much negativity as you like about London (indeed London has plenty of problems of its own), but on the London forums, not here.

This way: //www.city-data.com/forum/london/
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:07 PM
 
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That is because most of these homeless are not homeless. If they hired government agents, to follow them around for awhile to see where they go, you would see that some actually are living very well, but uses the public as an backbone. Like in my area, I see the homeless comes out of their hiding spots, and the three main beggars all seem to live together in one building. It is all an act.

Another thing is that some people play the homeless act, because not to far from them is an homeless center, and people will do almost anything to take advantage of them. Some people use them for public assistance, some people use them for free thanksgiving food.

Finally thanks to the internet many people are traveling to NYC, as well as other area because of the safety rating and resources. Meaning many homeless are using the internet ( this is the post 2001 years people get with the program ), to find out which city has which props for the homeless.

It is all an act
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:14 PM
 
Location: NY
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It is all an act
No. Not all an act.
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