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Old 04-11-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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Hylan Blvd is a disgrace.

+1 I know of no more rancid stretch of so-called "commerce" in New York.
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Old 04-11-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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yes, this is true.


I do remember something like that.

'm sorry, but 15 dollars to cross a bridge is absolute INSANITY.
I really feel everyone should have stuck together as taxpayers and simply not paid it or do a strike or run thru it, something to let our elected officials know that all the taxpayers are not having this.


15 dollars, to cross a bridge....................................
Well the Bayonne and other NJ bridges aren't that much cheaper ($13.50 or so), and one has to remember the tolls are high for all SI bridges because it is only one way. That is you pay to get on but not off the Rock.
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Old 04-11-2014, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Staten Island does not need a subway to bring yet more trash onto the Rock. Problem there is it will only encourage *more* persons to move onto SI further congesting roads, streets, and straining local infrastructure.
I never understood the "trash" argument. As if SI is some exclusive place without "trash" of our own.

In any case, remember that the number of cars isn't necessarily proportional to the number of people. Staten Island actually has about as many registered car owners as Manhattan (I think it was something like 239,000 for SI, and 246,000 for Manhattan), while Manhattan has over 3 times the population, not to mention a much larger daytime population than Staten Island.

So you'd be able to accommodate more people without placing much more strain on the local infrastructure. So for instance, lets use some hypothetical numbers. Right now, say Hylan Blvd moves 6,000 people per hour in its peak direction, and the SIR moves 6,000 people per hour in its peak direction.

If you connected the SIR to Manhattan, you would increase demand so that the frequency (and length) of the trains would have to increase to meet that demand (thus making it a more attractive option for more people, and starting a cycle where increased frequency leads to more ridership until an equilibrium point is reached. Let's say that equilibrium point is 18,000 people per hour. That means that the total amount of people being moved is 24,000 per hour, up from 12,000 per hour originally.

I mean, look at it this way: The traffic on some of the major streets here is definitely comparable to (or in some cases, worse than) traffic on some major roadways in areas with subway service.
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:06 PM
 
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it is worse than that.
86th street in brooklyn where I live moves faster, no lie.
Now thats bad.
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Old 04-13-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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When they 1st proposed the bridge they said that tolls will only be collected for 30 years then it will be free like the Brooklyn and Williamsburg Bridges. NOT!

It turns out to be the most bridge with the most expensive toll in NY/NJ.
It's the same price as the other major MTA crossings. People only PERCEIVE it to be larger, but fail to realize it's one way only. Therefore, if it was bi-directional, it would be 7.50. Now there are places in the world where a bridge toll costs the equivalent of 20+ american dollars for Bi-directional tolls.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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It's the same price as the other major MTA crossings. People only PERCEIVE it to be larger, but fail to realize it's one way only. Therefore, if it was bi-directional, it would be 7.50. Now there are places in the world where a bridge toll costs the equivalent of 20+ american dollars for Bi-directional tolls.

we know it is one way the toll, and therefore divided into 2, all our tolls here in NY are pure insanity.

and then you have some moron thinking up "congestion pricing"
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Old 04-13-2014, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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That's not insanity. These are the repercussions of owning a personal vehicle. This is NYC, use public transport if you wanna save.
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Old 04-13-2014, 04:44 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Translation: this is NYC. We get to tell you what to do and we'll hammer your wallet until you do what we say.
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