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Old 05-29-2014, 05:35 AM
 
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Well, de Blasio doesn't seem like the type to give the NYPD carte blanche and whatever resources they may need in order to bring stability to the streets.
Exactly.
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:57 AM
 
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Whether crime goes up, down, or sideways, it will be on the shoulders of de blasio not Bratton. I am not saying this in a demeaning way, but Bratton is merely diblasio's puppet
Your 100% correct. The Commish is merely doing what the Mayor wants. You saw a very different Bratton under Rudy. It was under Bratton that the famed compstat was born.
IMO, crime will continue to rise in NYC. Few variables at play. There is a lot less cops on the force today compared to pre 9/11. Also I think cops will take on the role of the potted plant if you will. Your gonna have the crowd that supports the controversial SQF and the crowd that does not. Are there criminals a little more brazen to carry a gun knowing that they will not be stopped? Time will tell. I think you need a full 2 years to really start making correlations. At the end of the day the people of NYC have spoken either way.
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Old 05-29-2014, 06:25 AM
 
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Your 100% correct. The Commish is merely doing what the Mayor wants. You saw a very different Bratton under Rudy. It was under Bratton that the famed compstat was born.
IMO, crime will continue to rise in NYC. Few variables at play. There is a lot less cops on the force today compared to pre 9/11. Also I think cops will take on the role of the potted plant if you will. Your gonna have the crowd that supports the controversial SQF and the crowd that does not. Are there criminals a little more brazen to carry a gun knowing that they will not be stopped? Time will tell. I think you need a full 2 years to really start making correlations. At the end of the day the people of NYC have spoken either way.
Agreed. Though crime will spike this summer because it's the summer and crime always spikes during the summer. It was low during this particularly cold winter.

We'll have an idea of how bad the heroin trade is factoring in with crime in the next year or so.
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Old 05-29-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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Keeping things in perspective, there were 101 murders through 5/18/2014, compared to 113 at the same time last year. Chicago had logged it's 100th murder of the year on April 30th. And through 5/18/14, there were 57 murders in Indianapolis (city population, 843,000). And as of today there were 90 homicides in Philly.

“Crime is going to spike from time to time, that’s just the reality.” If Bloomberg had said this line some here would be praising him for being so upfront and honest about crime while making note of the stats above.
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Old 05-29-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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“Crime is going to spike from time to time, that’s just the reality.” If Bloomberg had said this line some here would be praising him
Did he say it?
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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Keeping things in perspective, there were 101 murders through 5/18/2014, compared to 113 at the same time last year. Chicago had logged it's 100th murder of the year on April 30th. And through 5/18/14, there were 57 murders in Indianapolis (city population, 843,000). And as of today there were 90 homicides in Philly.

“Crime is going to spike from time to time, that’s just the reality.” If Bloomberg had said this line some here would be praising him for being so upfront and honest about crime while making note of the stats above.
To be fair, the cold weather this year kept the crime rate down, so the lower murder rate of winter 2013/2014 isn't a sign that the crime rate is dropping. It will be interesting to see summer 2013 vs summer 2014. We won't know the final tally until the fall.
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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Agreed. Though crime will spike this summer because it's the summer and crime always spikes during the summer. It was low during this particularly cold winter.

We'll have an idea of how bad the heroin trade is factoring in with crime in the next year or so.
I don't think that's entirely accurate. This is compared to the same period last year--so this doesn't have to do with the summer--which we aren't in yet by the way.

We'll need a little more time to determine whether Bratton will be an effective police commissioner but I feel he chose his words poorly. No PC should ever say that even a "spike" in crime should be a "reality" that we should consider normal and expected.
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Old 05-29-2014, 03:22 PM
 
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I don't think that's entirely accurate. This is compared to the same period last year--so this doesn't have to do with the summer--which we aren't in yet by the way.

We'll need a little more time to determine whether Bratton will be an effective police commissioner but I feel he chose his words poorly. No PC should ever say that even a "spike" in crime should be a "reality" that we should consider normal and expected.

Bratton is not the one who is going to be judged. Everyone who lived in the city back when he was here knows he is the real deal and can get the job done. It is the Mayor who will be judged.
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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Besides murders, we also need to look at the stats for quality of life crimes that don't end up in death. Are stick ups/muggings/robberies up? Are car thefts up? Are gang banging crimes up? Is graffiti more prevalent now under a new mayor than before? Are subway crimes up? Etc. Is there an overall sense of social disorder now compared to a year ago? And so on.

Point being that NYC could have 1 murder all year for example but if all the other crimes are up, are we really that much better off?
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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Besides murders, we also need to look at the stats for quality of life crimes that don't end up in death. Are stick ups/muggings/robberies up? Are car thefts up? Are gang banging crimes up? Is graffiti more prevalent now under a new mayor than before? Are subway crimes up? Etc. Is there an overall sense of social disorder now compared to a year ago? And so on.

Point being that NYC could have 1 murder all year for example but if all the other crimes are up, are we really that much better off?
I stumbled upon this article.

Quote from the (January) article:

"Last month, Bratton met privately with NYPD critics who gave him a 10-page document of changes they’d like to see implemented within the first 100 days. Among them was a call to curb the number of arrests for low-level crimes like trespassing and disorderly conduct, the kinds of offenses targeted under Broken Windows, which Bratton put to use when he led the NYPD from 1994 to 1996."

Disclaimer: Don't know any background of the website or author.
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