How much more can the population of NYC grow? (Greene: rent, condos)
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So the population of Manhattan was 2.3 million in 1910. Now it's 1.6M
As packed as that island currently seems, with bigger and way taller buildings, it could very well add another 1 million in the next decades, IMO.
How about the outer boroughs?
Queens with mostly low raises could probably take in a lot more people in. The same goes for Southern Brooklyn and the North Bronx.
By world standards NYC is not listed in the top 50 most dense cities.
Not even in the tri-state area NYC tops as the densest city.
So the population of Manhattan was 2.3 million in 1910. Now it's 1.6M
As packed as that island currently seems, with bigger and way taller buildings, it could very well add another 1 million in the next decades, IMO.
How about the outer boroughs?
Queens with mostly low raises could probably take in a lot more people in. The same goes for Southern Brooklyn and the North Bronx.
By world standards NYC is not even in the top 50 most dense cities.
Not even in the tri-state area NYC tops as the densest city.
Big parts of Queens have areas with single family homes that will fight development. Brooklyn has areas like that as well. The areas that get, and that will continue to get new big buildings are mostly the former industrial neighborhoods that have a lot of underutilized space. LIC, Astoria, Greenepoint, Williamsburg, DUMBO, Bedstuy, Bushwick, Downtown Brooklyn, etc. Jamaica, Queens is an old industrial area near a transportation hub that could get new big buildings. The South Bronx has a lot of old industrial space that can be converted. There's still underutilized space in Harlem, the West Side, and the Lower East Side. The Rockaways in recent years are being redeveloped with townhouses and condos being built on vacant lots (no more new high rises, though).
What is the obsession of packing this place as much as possible? Do you really want to replicate the living standards of 1910? Or be as dense as mexico city? The infrastructure simply can not handle it. Go take the 4/5 train in the morning or evening and tell me we need more people.
And if we do grow the population another half million people....seriously, what type of people do you think this is going to attract?
Cities in general, and NYC in particular is about density. The density drives the economy. That's why people and companies come here. As long as the infrastructure is put in place to support it, the more density the better.
If you don't want density, you have basically the entire rent of country to live in. It's idiotic to live in NYC (at least if you want to live in NYC) and beotch about the density.
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Originally Posted by joeymags
What is the obsession of packing this place as much as possible? Do you really want to replicate the living standards of 1910? Or be as dense as mexico city? The infrastructure simply can not handle it. Go take the 4/5 train in the morning or evening and tell me we need more people.
And if we do grow the population another half million people....seriously, what type of people do you think this is going to attract?
What is the obsession of packing this place as much as possible? Do you really want to replicate the living standards of 1910? Or be as dense as mexico city? The infrastructure simply can not handle it. Go take the 4/5 train in the morning or evening and tell me we need more people.
And if we do grow the population another half million people....seriously, what type of people do you think this is going to attract?
hardly obsessed. just posing a question to discuss it. now take a deep breath and relax.
we won't replicate the living standards of the 1900's because we don't live in that era anymore.
whether we like it or not, urbanization is taking place all across the world. NYC has a net positive migration rate, so it's bound to keep growing. and as the population grows infrastructure will need to be built to handle a larger amount of people.
I'm sure in the 1800's somebody said the same 'we don't have the infrastructure' and then someone built the Brooklyn bridge.
what type of people will it attract ? I left my crystal ball at home, but I suppose it will attract the same people it has been attracting for 100s of years. immigrants, wealthy people, the professionally ambitious, dreamers and the young.
The city itself under Bloomberg projected its population in 2030 at 9.1 million., with Manhattan rising to 1.83 million. Manhattan and Staten Island are projected to have the highest rates of growth between 2000 and 2030.
I don't think that Manhattan will hit that 2 million mark again, as it was the result of severe overcrowding in the type of tenements we won't ever see built again. But the city will keep attracting immigrants who will move to the outer boroughs and more than offset the number of folks leaving the city. With rezoning of underutilized industrial and waterfront land, especially in the outer boroughs, and gentrification of at least some neighborhoods growing, I think it's pretty easy to imagine building enough housing for another 1 million plus residents over the next 15 years. We'll see. Population growth though, will stop IMO, if there is some sort of huge natural or economic disaster here or if the city is again overwhelmed by crime and seen as a dangerous place to live.
What is the obsession of packing this place as much as possible? Do you really want to replicate the living standards of 1910? Or be as dense as mexico city? The infrastructure simply can not handle it. Go take the 4/5 train in the morning or evening and tell me we need more people.
And if we do grow the population another half million people....seriously, what type of people do you think this is going to attract?
We will not have much choice as a country. Populations will continue to grow and resources will continue to dwindle. Governments will need to provide more for the poor. It is easier to do that in dense areas. High density is not the same as overcrowding.
The city itself under Bloomberg projected its population in 2030 at 9.1 million, with Manhattan rising to 1.83 million, with Manhattan and Staten Island showing the highest rates of growth between 2000 and 2030.
I don't think that Manhattan will hit that 2 million mark again, as it was the result of severe overcrowding in the type of tenements we won't ever see built again. But the city will keep attracting immigrants who will move to the outer boroughs and more than offset the number of folks leaving the city. With rezoning of underutilized industrial and waterfront land, especially in the outer boroughs, and gentrification of at least some neighborhoods growing, I think it's pretty easy to imagine building enough housing for another 1 million plus residents over the next 15 years. We'll see. Population growth though, will stop IMO, if there is some sort of huge natural or economic disaster here or if the city is again overwhelmed by crime and seen as a dangerous place to live.
+1
Good points.
And I definitely agree with the bolded.
When sh*t hits the fan, the last thing you want, is to be trapped in an island.
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