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We're not going to turn into a third world country because we have a large Mexican/Central American population. Of course we need to stop illegal immigration as soon as possible, but the population of Mexicans/Central Americans will continue to grow because of high fertility rates.
We should also take into consideration that the White-American population is on the decline, with deaths now outpacing births.
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Did you miss the NY Times report that 20,000 illegals were Set free by border patrol in the US in the past 6 months??
How does that refute my statement in any legitimate way?
We're not going to turn into a third world country because we have a large Mexican/Central American population. Of course we need to stop illegal immigration as soon as possible, but the population of Mexicans/Central Americans will continue to grow because of high fertility rates.
We should also take into consideration that the White-American population is on the decline, with deaths now outpacing births.
How does that refute my statement in any legitimate way?
..you said the wave of illegal immigrants has ended..
The 14th Amendment is what it is. Regardless of whether one agrees with it or not. Same for all the other amendments.
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Since you brought it up the founding fathers did not have broadcast media or the internet in mind when they drafted the 1st Amendment either. The founders of this nation were not stupid they knew technology would advance in the future. It's only the principles of the amendments that count. Besides the Supreme Court already addressed this issue in the Heller and McDonald decisions and concluded that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual right unrelated to service in a militia and applies to weapons that are in common use today. You can read the decision for yourself. While you are at it you might want to read the "Federalist Papers" to get a clear understanding of what the founders had in mind when they drafted the "Bill of Rights". I'm guessing that you may not like it, but it is what it is.
I'm not arguing for or against any of the amendments, they are what they are. It just amuses me greatly that the far right cares little for what the law actually is, they pick and choose what laws they want to enforce/follow. I guess it is not a coincidence that much of the far right is also deeply religious.
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The Supreme Court, while technically the highest court in the land and the ultimate authority on the constitution, has been wrong in the past and is wrong on this issue but it is what it is. The point isn't what the founding fathers had in mind, it's the time period in which the laws were created. Do laws that made sense in the 18th century still make sense today? If our government and laws stay stagnate and antiquated, then we as a society fall behind. Regarding the 2nd amendment, it's not that I don't think citizens should have the right to bear arms, it's that considering how powerful and destructive modern day weapons are, they should be better regulated. It's ridiculous that we keep better track of any car sold then we do of the guns that are sold.
Last I checked, the 2nd Amendment was still a part of the Constitution, unlike slavery which was abolished upon ratification of the 13th Amendment. If you believe that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is antiquated, you need to work to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Until then, it is still the law of the land.
It's not that I think that right to bear arms is antiquated, it's that the 2nd amendment should not be a excuse to not better regulate and control our weapons. Like I said though, that is a topic for another thread.
..you said the wave of illegal immigrants has ended..
Completely false. It's worse now than ever.
I said the Mexican wave was mostly over. Not that the total illegal wave is over. Central American is still terrible, but Mexico's economy is improving.
You can actually look at the Pew studies on this. For awhile just as many Mexicans were returning to Mexico as were coming to the US. Net migration was at zero.
Found it quite ironic that the people who were protesting against the protesters in that town out in California last week were waiving Mexican flags. There's a great argument. We want the people here illegally who will be sucking off our resources to be welcomed with open arms like true Americans! So let's waive the Mexican flag. Brilliant!
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I'm not arguing for or against any of the amendments, they are what they are. It just amuses me greatly that the far right cares little for what the law actually is, they pick and choose what laws they want to enforce/follow. I guess it is not a coincidence that much of the far right is also deeply religious.
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The Supreme Court, while technically the highest court in the land and the ultimate authority on the constitution, has been wrong in the past and is wrong on this issue but it is what it is. The point isn't what the founding fathers had in mind, it's the time period in which the laws were created. Do laws that made sense in the 18th century still make sense today? If our government and laws stay stagnate and antiquated, then we as a society fall behind. Regarding the 2nd amendment, it's not that I don't think citizens should have the right to bear arms, it's that considering how powerful and destructive modern day weapons are, they should be better regulated. It's ridiculous that we keep better track of any car sold then we do of the guns that are sold.
The point of those amendments, and especially the second amentment, is each individual being able to defend not only his right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness, but also the rights of his fellow citizens.
No one says you HAVE to defnd your rights, but the founding fathers ensured that each member of this country would be able to defend their personal rights, as well as the liberites and rights of the land itself - as a country. It greatly reduces the possiblity of a tyranical takeover if every citizen is bareing arms - even today, especially today, in a time where missiles and nuclear weapons are the devastators of vast expanses. You might want to have a weapon handy then for any number of reasons.
It may be easy to sit somewhere with an armed body guard, and want to take away someone's primary rights, because in your little world, it just isnt necessary. Try sitting alone in a desolate and rural place, in your home, where the nearest police are hours away, and see if you still feel that person shouldnt be able to forcefully protect himself. Is the crazed murderer willing to wait for the police to arrive? Will the crazed murderer be better armed - since hes a criminal, and as such, has access to weapons the lone homeowner will never be allowed access to?
Put the youth to work; put their parents to work; let teachers teach meaningful and enriching subject matter again. There are basic elements of everyday living that they need to know too. Its actually more realisticly productive than making them memorize a bunch of formulas and theorums that they will never again at any point find themselves needing to utilize in their daily life. Give people something to aspire to that is legitimate and something they can be proud of, and gangs will lose a lot of their appeal. Easy as. We need another one of those presidents that creates employment (Roosevelt??) where there is none, and starts public works to get Americans, for the most part, functioning again.
I think a lot of the appeal of guns to disenfranchised youth in a place like NYC is the fact they are illegal - a "cool kids" status symbol. Unfortunately, not all of us live long enough to realize that "cool" = stupid. Equally unfortunate, Im not sure making gun ownership more accessible to the masses is a great idea to help ease that situation in specific areas, like NYC. One thing to always bare in mind when desiding something for Americans as a whole - America is expansive, and loaded with people who want to exercize their 2nd amendment rights - legally - in their guaranteed right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness granted under the constitution.
Millions of people live and function within the law in NYC. Those that are tragicly killed by criminals weilding illegal guns in any way are a miniscule fraction in comparison to the overwhelming majority of the population that manages to get on with daily life without actually murdering somebody, lol.
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New Law Will Create New York City ID Card
The new municipal ID card will be available to any resident of the city, including immigrants in the country illegally.
It's just part of the step by step process to let anyone be a citizen. Show up and you're a citizen, no matter how you got here. The final step will be allowing all them to vote and you know who they'll vote for. This is a political invasion.
What do you think the real reason Democrats are so gung-ho about amnesty? There is only one reason. Because they assume that these newly minted Americans will be so grateful to them that they will vote Democrat, pushing states like Texas, Arizona, North Carolina, Colorado, etc., into permanent Democratic strongholds. There is no other reason.
In the past, the NAACP and other civil rights groups were against massive immigration because the immigrants drove down wages, which often hurt black Americans. No more. It's all about getting more Democrat votes.
Of course they fail to recognize that Hispanics have very low voter turnout, and Hispanics will integrate into the society just like other groups. First and second generation Irish and Italians were reliably Democrats. Now they are much more likely to be Republicans.
Also, I hate the term "Hispanic." You could be a rich white investment banker from Argentina with the last name of Lopez, and you are classified as Hispanic, and your kids could get preferences in college admission. Just outrageous. Treat Hispanics like any other American immigrant group for goodness sakes.
No, Hispanics once they have citizenship have made all the difference in helping California go from a red state (which it was in the 80s) to permanently blue. De Blasio did well among Hispanics, and that helped break 20 years of Republican control of NYC.
Oh, and partially because of Hispanics, Obama won Florida TWICE! The 80s Sunbelt which stretched from California to Virginia, has been broken in part because of demographic changes.
Ironically, there would not have even been immigration at this level if not for conservative Republicans who worhship small businesses and cheap labor. It's to the advantage of small businesses (and some large businesses), particularly in the hospitality, construction, and agribusiness industries to hire illegals who may work under the minimum wage and also this means their employers get to save on payroll taxes. Of course as these businesses hire people, their employees have children. The business sector that the Republicans count as a part of their base benefits from the status quo of having illegals it can under pay and not have to pay payroll taxes. Of course, immigrants put up with this knowing their children will be US citizens (So it's to the advantage of businesses that we keep the current system).
Also, certain cities have economies based on immigrants. NYC might have come another rust belt city due to white flight and urban disinvestment, but high levels of immigration kept the population high and kept up the real estate prices.
But back to Republicans, perhaps if they didn't allow such nasty hateful people to speak, perhaps they'd get immigrants and people of color to vote for them in large numbers. The Republican party has nothing to blame but itself for it's loss of certain states in the Sunbelt, and for that matter NYC.
Stop letting all these left-wing/right-wing idiot politicians dumb us down.
They don't know what they're doing or what they believe anymore.
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Equally unfortunate, Im not sure making gun ownership more accessible to the masses is a great idea to help ease that situation in specific areas, like NYC. One thing to always bare in mind when desiding something for Americans as a whole - America is expansive, and loaded with people who want to exercize their 2nd amendment rights - legally - in their guaranteed right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness granted under the constitution. 
