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Old 08-05-2014, 01:09 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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How is this thread not over 20+ pages long already? I know, because nobody really gives a damn about these criminals, nor should we.
Because there are people who will keep responding ... and responding ... and responding with nothing at all relevant to say beyond assertions of their created identities.

At least a few of them do not live anywhere near New York. Wherever they do live, they have plenty of time on their hands. Perhaps from settling a discrimination lawsuit, getting the big pay-out ...

Too many trolls here now.

That said - people should care. There are all sorts of implications around such scenarios and it matters very much how they are worked through the public consciousness.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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That said - people should care. There are all sorts of implications around such scenarios and it matters very much how they are worked through the public consciousness.
So for the kids out there. If you are approached by any form of enforcement, either put your hands on your head or on a wall, and stay still with no back talk. Whether you did something illegal or not, no matter how petty the offense seems to be from your point of view. When all said and done, you ain't that tough anyway. Its just not worth it.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:49 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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So for the kids out there. If you are approached by any form of enforcement, either put your hands on your head or on a wall, and stay still with no back talk. Whether you did something illegal or not, no matter how petty the offense seems to be from your point of view. When all said and done, you ain't that tough anyway. Its just not worth it.
I say this every day. It is not worth a person's future unless s/he decides it is.

Some of the adults in their lives tell them that they are being "activists" - and in a sense, they could be.
But they are not obligated to do so and should think it through carefully.
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Old 08-05-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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I've been saying this for years! The NYPD should open a youtube channel to post every single video. It would smash the thought that cops are the problem even remotely close to the majority of the time. Racialism would be become a thing of the past. People like Sharpton would be run out of business so quickly even DeBlasio wouldn't be able to figure out a way to defend him. Imagine if the world actually got to see a cop's view of the West Indian Parade and not just the first 10 minutes when the mayor walks by? Expose the ghetto for what it really is.

Oh, that and tasers. The cops need tasers, every one of them. They can no longer rely on tactics from the beginning of time which are perfectly legal but cause a racialist uproar whenever they are recorded on camera (nearly every time now) trying to apprehend raging animal savages.


I agree but Body cams would work in favor of the cops and the public. It would expose the realities in every unimaginable way. Even the dash cams are suspect to tampering but why connecting the body cams to a cloud, all videos would be recorded in real time and tamper proof as well! Just think how it cuts down on civil suits, ligitation, increases justice and increase public trust. This would nip accusations and instead of giving greater credence to an individuals word, the video would be above and beyond that.


The funny thing is the Inspector general during the Bloomberg administration recommend body cams but it was something both the Administration and the PBA vehementaly squashed. I wonder why?





Tasers? Well, as much as I like the tech.....quite a few deaths have been associated with it. I think more development and research should be invested. The humans body is very complex and unique to every individual. We barely understand it given all our advances.
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Old 08-05-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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I agree but Body cams would work in favor of the cops and the public. It would expose the realities in every unimaginable way. Even the dash cams are suspect to tampering but why connecting the body cams to a cloud, all videos would be recorded in real time and tamper proof as well! Just think how it cuts down on civil suits, ligitation, increases justice and increase public trust. This would nip accusations and instead of giving greater credence to an individuals word, the video would be above and beyond that.


The funny thing is the Inspector general during the Bloomberg administration recommend body cams but it was something both the Administration and the PBA vehementaly squashed. I wonder why?
You know why.
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Old 08-05-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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I agree but Body cams would work in favor of the cops and the public. It would expose the realities in every unimaginable way. Even the dash cams are suspect to tampering but why connecting the body cams to a cloud, all videos would be recorded in real time and tamper proof as well! Just think how it cuts down on civil suits, ligitation, increases justice and increase public trust. This would nip accusations and instead of giving greater credence to an individuals word, the video would be above and beyond that.

The funny thing is the Inspector general during the Bloomberg administration recommend body cams but it was something both the Administration and the PBA vehementaly squashed. I wonder why?
Privacy issues, big ones. This is the realm of big data and we have scarcely even begun to sort those things out.
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Old 08-05-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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I wouldn't be where I am today if I had a sketchy past. Thankfully, I was encourged to pursue an education and career, and discouraged from engaging in immoral, anti-social behavior which would set me up for an unemployable life of constant deflection and blame. Persons of any race, nationality or creed who live their lives this way are welcome at my table any day of the week.

Your perception of racism stems from my nonconformance with the approved PC precepts of accepting social disorder and defeatist lifestyles common in generational ghetto "families" across this city. I do not try to hide this and am quite proud that I have the wherewithal to see through the politically correct BS.





It's easy to say that. I grew up with similar values but when you are targeted and have the bulk of policing in your neighborhood, it's easy to slip up. You could be doing the same thing as a kid in an upper class neighborhood (white) but both kids would be treated differently. Many kids smoke pot but getting arrested for possession will disqualify you from many positions. There is a great emphasis on LE to patrol areas with minorities for 'crime' but stop 'n frisk stats have shown the majority of arrests have stemmed from pot possession. Kids in suburbia and rich areas of the city do the same damn thing and get away it with everyday. Our past 4 presidents have smoked pot yet were lucky to not be arrested. However, if they grew up in NYC and subjected to stop n frisk in the poorer areas, they would have been arrested. Bush was arrested for a DWI which was conveniently expunged, then a yr later the law was changed to. When there was alcohol abolition, how many lawyers, judges, actors were arrested? Did they suffer from an arrest record that messed up their prospects for job opportunities? Did suffer from the stigma associated with it? No. Think about minorites and colored immigrants who did not have the resources, the knowlege, etc,m to fully grasp the laws and its consquences? Think about it.


DWI (related to no accidents or inury) and pot possession cause more harm to an individual than having rap sheet full of theft, larceny, assault ,etc. People bring up arrest record. Do you have any idea how easy it is to be arrested for nothing in NY? You can be arrested 10 times with no convictions but media will overlook that part. Getting justice in America has more to do with how much money and connections you have and your skin color if there is no apparent evidence o prove your innocence. Why aren't court proceedings recorded live and put on TV yet? We would have a better grasp on the inequality in sentencing with regard to different types of ppl. To ignore racism, is to ignore history. We have made a great leap forward but more needs to be done.


They used to call rioting, ANTI SOCIAL behavior and still do (with regard to OWS)...if we didn't riot and protest, we would never get equal civil rights. Remember, we had to fight for that.


Many LE have been infiltrated by white supremacist organizations, but it only make the headlines when it becomes painfully obvious.
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Old 08-05-2014, 05:42 PM
 
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It's easy to say that. I grew up with similar values but when you are targeted and have the bulk of policing in your neighborhood, it's easy to slip up. You could be doing the same thing as a kid in an upper class neighborhood (white) but both kids would be treated differently. Many kids smoke pot but getting arrested for possession will disqualify you from many positions. There is a great emphasis on LE to patrol areas with minorities for 'crime' but stop 'n frisk stats have shown the majority of arrests have stemmed from pot possession. Kids in suburbia and rich areas of the city do the same damn thing and get away it with everyday. Our past 4 presidents have smoked pot yet were lucky to not be arrested. However, if they grew up in NYC and subjected to stop n frisk in the poorer areas, they would have been arrested. Bush was arrested for a DWI which was conveniently expunged, then a yr later the law was changed to. When there was alcohol abolition, how many lawyers, judges, actors were arrested? Did they suffer from an arrest record that messed up their prospects for job opportunities? Did suffer from the stigma associated with it? No. Think about minorites and colored immigrants who did not have the resources, the knowlege, etc,m to fully grasp the laws and its consquences? Think about it.


DWI (related to no accidents or inury) and pot possession cause more harm to an individual than having rap sheet full of theft, larceny, assault ,etc. People bring up arrest record. Do you have any idea how easy it is to be arrested for nothing in NY? You can be arrested 10 times with no convictions but media will overlook that part. Getting justice in America has more to do with how much money and connections you have and your skin color if there is no apparent evidence o prove your innocence. Why aren't court proceedings recorded live and put on TV yet? We would have a better grasp on the inequality in sentencing with regard to different types of ppl. To ignore racism, is to ignore history. We have made a great leap forward but more needs to be done.


They used to call rioting, ANTI SOCIAL behavior and still do (with regard to OWS)...if we didn't riot and protest, we would never get equal civil rights. Remember, we had to fight for that.


Many LE have been infiltrated by white supremacist organizations, but it only make the headlines when it becomes painfully obvious.
I'm calling this out as pure nonsense. You see, if one gets busted just one time for weed, and has no prior record, in all likelihood the judge would give an ACD.

And yes, so called minorities get ACD. The thing is it's become acceptable to break the law in certain underclass subcultures, so people repeatedly break the law and therefore end up with criminal records.

I'm Black,and I detest the fact criminals hide behind excuses like yours . Boo hoo, whites do drugs too (yes, they do), but the cops only target us.

Having been inside poor neighborhoods before, a variety of antisocial behaviors attraction attention in the first place. 10 men hanging out on the street corner for hours, apparently smoking something. Of course this is going to attract the attention of the cops. Loitering is technically illegal even if they aren't smoking weed. Go to your homes or wherever you have to go to instead of hanging out on the corner like morons. In cases like this sometimes people from the neighborhood even call the cops as they don't like walking by these strange men in order to get home or go to work. The past for Presidents may have gotten high but I seriously doubt they were out on street corners all hours of the night acting like this. I'd call this behavior low class but anyone with any class wouldn't act like this, so I'd be insulting low class people.

Oh, or parking your car in front of a building where you don't live, leaning out of the car window while blasting music from your car.

If some people don't want to be treated like thugs or street scum, don't act like it. And stop using race as a shield for criminals. Stop it with the lame excuses for garbage.

I was the first male in my family to get a degree. Some of the men in my family I will admit are scum, and who hangout with other street trash. I always avoided hanging out with filth and never had any interest in even speaking to them. I always admired intelligence and class. Which is why I have my education and why I am not locked up!
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Old 08-05-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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I've been saying this for years! The NYPD should open a youtube channel to post every single video. It would smash the thought that cops are the problem even remotely close to the majority of the time. Racialism would be become a thing of the past. People like Sharpton would be run out of business so quickly even DeBlasio wouldn't be able to figure out a way to defend him. Imagine if the world actually got to see a cop's view of the West Indian Parade and not just the first 10 minutes when the mayor walks by? Expose the ghetto for what it really is.

Oh, that and tasers. The cops need tasers, every one of them. They can no longer rely on tactics from the beginning of time which are perfectly legal but cause a racialist uproar whenever they are recorded on camera (nearly every time now) trying to apprehend raging animal savages.
That is no racialist uproar.

These issues simply stem from history.

There are REASONS why inner city black men do no trust cops.
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Old 08-05-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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It's easy to say that. I grew up with similar values but when you are targeted and have the bulk of policing in your neighborhood, it's easy to slip up. You could be doing the same thing as a kid in an upper class neighborhood (white) but both kids would be treated differently. Many kids smoke pot but getting arrested for possession will disqualify you from many positions. There is a great emphasis on LE to patrol areas with minorities for 'crime' but stop 'n frisk stats have shown the majority of arrests have stemmed from pot possession. Kids in suburbia and rich areas of the city do the same damn thing and get away it with everyday. Our past 4 presidents have smoked pot yet were lucky to not be arrested. However, if they grew up in NYC and subjected to stop n frisk in the poorer areas, they would have been arrested. Bush was arrested for a DWI which was conveniently expunged, then a yr later the law was changed to. When there was alcohol abolition, how many lawyers, judges, actors were arrested? Did they suffer from an arrest record that messed up their prospects for job opportunities? Did suffer from the stigma associated with it? No. Think about minorites and colored immigrants who did not have the resources, the knowlege, etc,m to fully grasp the laws and its consquences? Think about it.


DWI (related to no accidents or inury) and pot possession cause more harm to an individual than having rap sheet full of theft, larceny, assault ,etc. People bring up arrest record. Do you have any idea how easy it is to be arrested for nothing in NY? You can be arrested 10 times with no convictions but media will overlook that part. Getting justice in America has more to do with how much money and connections you have and your skin color if there is no apparent evidence o prove your innocence. Why aren't court proceedings recorded live and put on TV yet? We would have a better grasp on the inequality in sentencing with regard to different types of ppl. To ignore racism, is to ignore history. We have made a great leap forward but more needs to be done.

Yes, but our past four presidents did not come from underclass inner city areas where you see the effects of the War on Drugs in effect everyday. .

Dude. Many of these street thugs know very well that they are targeted by police...and that people are intimidated by black faces.

if you're standing on corners doing absolutely nothing it does not solve anything. While I agree on some points If your not part of the solution, then you're part of the PROBLEM plain and simple.

I'm sure these presidents have experienced poverty, but were not selling loosie cigarettes on street corners to make ends meet as Garner was doing.
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