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Old 02-13-2015, 02:12 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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That's why we disagree and would vote differently on a jury and act differently as a sheriff, judge or prosecutor. And that's why traffic stops should be illegal and according to my view already illegal. People shouldn't have to be afraid for their lives because of what a cop may or may not infer is happening in a situation. Aside from a person who is driving very recklessly, pulling someone over is wrong. People have a right to be safe in their cars from being pulled to the side of the road and not knowing how a man with a gun and badge will react. Many women have been raped by cops who pull them over. Fellow motorists also have a right to not be distracted by a car being pulled over. More people are killed in crashes because of cops pulling people over than die from speeding. And a lot of people are pulled over for not wearing a seat belt which does not violate anyones rights or harm anyone.

We have a different idea of what policing should be and is acceptable. Ultimately it's in the power of every individual cop to decide how to act and work.
Extreme libertarians are weirdos, period.
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:16 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Officer Who Fatally Shot Akai Gurley Released Without Bail


Officer Who Fatally Shot Akai Gurley Released Without Bail: Gothamist

I'd love one of our legal eagles to justify this for me
That is easy. Bail exists for one reason and one reason only: the ensure the defendant's return to court. If no indication exists that the defendant will flee justice, bail is not warranted or permitted. Sit in on arraignments some time and you will learn that PO Liang being released ROR is not uncommon, no matter the seriousness of the crime.
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Old 02-13-2015, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Interesting new twist to this case. Evidently the main reason this cop was indicted is because his partner turned on him and will testify against him in exchange for immunity.

Partner gets immunity for testifying against cop in Gurley case | New York Post

“I don’t think you would have any case against Liang without the testimony of Landau,” a law-enforcement source told The Post


This doesn't usually happen but I'm sure it was much easier to turn/testify against a chinese cop than if he had been let's say,Irish.

Will a cop who testifies against his partner be able to remain on the NYPD ?

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Old 02-13-2015, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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Interesting new twist to this case. Evidently the main reason this cop was indicted is because his partner turned on him and will testify against him in exchange for immunity.

Partner gets immunity for testifying against cop in Gurley case | New York Post

“I don’t think you would have any case against Liang without the testimony of Landau,†a law-enforcement source told The Post


This doesn't usually happen but I'm sure it was much easier to turn/testify against a chinese cop than if he had been let's say,Irish.

Will a cop who testifies against his partner be able to remain on the NYPD ?
You have to go into the whole Chinese as opposed to Irish thing huh? They were going to interview him anyway. Now you will get a true version of what happened. Again as I said before the rookie cop made a colossal mistake. It cost Mr Gurleys life. It will be up to a jury to decide if it meets a criminal threshold. As far as Landau staying on the NYPD there were several officers that testified against Justin Volpe and they still remain on the job today.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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You have to go into the whole Chinese as opposed to Irish thing huh? They were going to interview him anyway. Now you will get a true version of what happened. Again as I said before the rookie cop made a colossal mistake. It cost Mr Gurleys life. It will be up to a jury to decide if it meets a criminal threshold. As far as Landau staying on the NYPD there were several officers that testified against Justin Volpe and they still remain on the job today.
I think Landau is cooperating because he could have been charged for not calling 911 when the guy was shot.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:00 AM
 
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rule #1: for all rookie cops, say no to any assignments in ghetto buildings especially after dark. It is a death trap. You either risk being killed by a loose criminal or being indicted if you are proactive in defending yourself.

A driver could kill pedestrians in broad daylight but facing no legal consequences, but a cop working in an extremely spooky situation would be indicted for an accidental shooting not aimed directly at the victim. The law has to be amended to be consistent and fair.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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I think Landau is cooperating because he could have been charged for not calling 911 when the guy was shot.
Yeah but that would be a minor charge. He would be cooperating anyway. Probably will lose his job regardless. Two careers down the drain because the rookie cop had his finger on the trigger. Again as I said before Rookies shouldn't be working with other Rookies!!!! Recipe for disaster!
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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rule #1: for all rookie cops, say no to any assignments in ghetto buildings especially after dark. It is a death trap. You either risk being killed by a loose criminal or being indicted if you are proactive in defending yourself.

A driver could kill pedestrians in broad daylight but facing no legal consequences, but a cop working in an extremely spooky situation would be indicted for an accidental shooting not aimed directly at the victim. The law has to be amended to be consistent and fair.
Problem is a rookie can't say no...otherwise they'll get disciplined or fired.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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Yeah but that would be a minor charge. He would be cooperating anyway. Probably will lose his job regardless. Two careers down the drain because the rookie cop had his finger on the trigger. Again as I said before Rookies shouldn't be working with other Rookies!!!! Recipe for disaster!
The vets are sure not taking the dangerous assignments to patrol the bad areas. Someone's got to do the work.
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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rule #1: for all rookie cops, say no to any assignments in ghetto buildings especially after dark. It is a death trap. You either risk being killed by a loose criminal or being indicted if you are proactive in defending yourself.
They would be fired immediately for COWARDICE as they SHOULD.
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