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The Asians have discovered Bath Beach Brooklyn, all the old charming homes are being leved and these ugly 3 story "fortresses" are being replaced in their place. All different steel doors installed on the same house, Bars all over the windows, horrible, simply horrible
My neighborhood is being ruined by these types of homes, completely ruined.
As usual, most complaints about Chinese immigrants relate to aesthetics. They aren't the cleanliest people either, so that's a big one.
Measurably they rank higher than almost any other group in this city. Very high standardized scores among their children, very low violent crime rates. While the older generation may not assimilate well, their children go on to the specialized high schools and to great universities, despite being relatively poor.
Old timers in Brooklyn tend to complain a lot about them, but younger people who grow up with the children of Chinese immigrants don't seem to have much of a problem. Their family values are strong, and their work ethic is great.
Call it what you want, but it is certainly true. Chinese sanitization standards consist of pouring boiling water on surfaces to clean them and kill bacteria.
My building has seen one illegal business after another... ALL by Chinese immigrants. The latest one involves washing pots and pans (which can be very loud, banging in the sink) for sometimes 6-8 hours straight, until late at night. From the hallway it sounds like a restaurant kitchen... pots crashing, dishes clattering, people screaming, etc. And the ridiculous use of hot water affects all of us, as we can't shower or do our own dishes. The landlord recently installed a water meter, and we are no doubt going to see the effect of this latest illegal business reflected in our next rent increase.
This kind of thing happens all over the city, but in my building alone, I have seen endless groups of unknown Chinese people with suitcases coming and going on a daily basis (and a burglary on the same floor) at all hours, the front door often left open to accommodate them. I've entered the foyer on a Sunday afternoon to be greeted by a Chinese girl screaming in orgasm from three floors above, as men stream in and out of her apartment. Now the catering business being operated next door, driving me crazy with the noise, using all the hot water, and threatening me if I report them.
Sorry, even as a bleeding-heart liberal, I can recognize when a certain group exhibits certain characteristics, and in this city, the Chinese on the whole tend to be loud, rude, aggressive, unhygienic, oblivious to the standards of public behavior and basically lawless. I do understand that this is a product of the culture they come from, and that this is normal behavior there. But they're not there... they're here, and they need to stop doing this crap HERE. I'm not saying they're all like that--the people on one side of me and below me are also Chinese, but they're regular, respectable, hard-working people who don't disturb anyone. Unfortunately, they are not the norm.
Many cities in china are so densely populated, it makes nyc look like Montana. There's so many people, they live like rats over there, especially many of the poorest, who immigrate over here. Very little respect for personal space or sense of community. And as someone said, not 1st world cleanliness standards. It's not racist, just how it is over there. And it tends to come here.
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Originally Posted by ughhnyc
Call it what you want, but it is certainly true. Chinese sanitization standards consist of pouring boiling water on surfaces to clean them and kill bacteria.
My building has seen one illegal business after another... ALL by Chinese immigrants. The latest one involves washing pots and pans (which can be very loud, banging in the sink) for sometimes 6-8 hours straight, until late at night. From the hallway it sounds like a restaurant kitchen... pots crashing, dishes clattering, people screaming, etc. And the ridiculous use of hot water affects all of us, as we can't shower or do our own dishes. The landlord recently installed a water meter, and we are no doubt going to see the effect of this latest illegal business reflected in our next rent increase.
This kind of thing happens all over the city, but in my building alone, I have seen endless groups of unknown Chinese people with suitcases coming and going on a daily basis (and a burglary on the same floor) at all hours, the front door often left open to accommodate them. I've entered the foyer on a Sunday afternoon to be greeted by a Chinese girl screaming in orgasm from three floors above, as men stream in and out of her apartment. Now the catering business being operated next door, driving me crazy with the noise, using all the hot water, and threatening me if I report them.
Sorry, even as a bleeding-heart liberal, I can recognize when a certain group exhibits certain characteristics, and in this city, the Chinese on the whole tend to be loud, rude, aggressive, unhygienic, oblivious to the standards of public behavior and basically lawless. I do understand that this is a product of the culture they come from, and that this is normal behavior there. But they're not there... they're here, and they need to stop doing this crap HERE. I'm not saying they're all like that--the people on one side of me and below me are also Chinese, but they're regular, respectable, hard-working people who don't disturb anyone. Unfortunately, they are not the norm.
I would say this speak more about you than it does about them. Most affluent and educated Chinese people don't behave the way you outline. You live in a cheap building that is affordable for an immigrant worker to access. I dated a girl who rented a room in a similar building you described, her landlord was a poor immigrant worker who couldn't speak English and had a high school diploma. She and her husband worked as waiters and tried to start services business within the Chinese community. For them, they would never have been able to socially climb as quickly in china (very poor) to middle class like the US (own an apartment).
Most affluent and educated Chinese live in the surrounding suburbs around flushing for a reason (bayside, whitestone, long island).
I would say this speak more about you than it does about them. Most affluent and educated Chinese people don't behave the way you outline. You live in a cheap building that is affordable for an immigrant worker to access. I dated a girl who rented a room in a similar building you described, her landlord was a poor immigrant worker who couldn't speak English and had a high school diploma. She and her husband worked as waiters and tried to start services business within the Chinese community. For them, they would never have been able to socially climb as quickly in china to middle class like the US (own a apartment).
Most affluent Chinese live in the surrounding suburbs around flushing for a reason (bayside, whitestone, long island).
They break the law, and this says something about ME?
And for the record, my building is hardly cheap. It's a small walkup in Forest Hills, Queens... and 1-bedrooms go for around $1,800. The reason these types flock here and set up camp is not because it's cheap, or because of something I'm doing wrong (WTF KIND OF LOGIC IS THAT??), but because we have no onsite super to oversee what people are up to. That's GOLD to criminals.
And you obviously haven't been to Forest Hills lately. (It used to be overwhelmingly Russian/Jewish, but now you see mostly Chinese. Every person who views and rents apartments in my building is Chinese.) Nor have you been to Elmhurst, Rego Park or Kew Gardens.
Many cities in china are so densely populated, it makes nyc look like Montana. There's so many people, they live like rats over there, especially many of the poorest, who immigrate over here.
How do you define many? If it absolute numbers than it will sound like a lot but by percentage it not as much. The type of person you are describing are migrant workers in china who leave the most rural areas to the major cities. Most don't live like that over there.
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Very little respect for personal space or sense of community.
The concept of personal space is foreign to them due to population size over there. US are paranoid people who worship personal space given how much they value suburban life for the past generations (concept that is foreign internationally).
Basically, smaller landlords need to stop being seduced by briefcases full of cash, and start doing more due diligence. They need to care about who's living in their buildings, and about the safety of their tenants. When you've got an illegal hotel operating in your building, and the tenant across from it gets burglarized, that should matter. When your law-abiding tenants tell you that other tenants are doing not-so-legal things that disrupt others, that should matter. Instead, all that ever matters is whether or not the offending parties pay the rent on time.
The concept of personal space is foreign to them due to population size over there. US are paranoid people who worship personal space given how much they value suburban life for the past generations (concept that is foreign internationally).
They're not over there. They're over here. And the concept of personal space exists here, so they are the ones who need to adapt to the concepts that exist where they are, not where they came from. Just because your culture thousands of miles away dictates that it's normal to have 6 people crammed into a small 1-BR apartment, stomping, screaming and keeping insane hours, that doesn't mean you have the right to inflict that on your neighbors in a place with a completely different culture. For one, you signed a lease that you're violating by doing all that.
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