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I love how people who praise Stop and Frisk don't live in these same neighborhoods.
The criminals adapted to the situation, and since they knew there was an increased presence in Stop and Frisk, they started hiding their guns in places like mailboxes in the lobby of buildings, put the gun in a brown paper bag to make it look like garbage and then place it under a mailbox, you get the picture.
A few years ago there was a story in East Flatbush where some guys got into an altercation at a party. So what did they do? They left the party, went to go get their gun, came back and shot 3 people. They knew better than to walk around on the street with it.
Once again, I love how people who don't live in Stop and Frisk areas talk about how good this strategy is.
That's exactly right! Crime was going on anyway. Any time! It did nothing. Nada. Just wasted precious resources and violated people's civil rights.
Yeah how about doing some actual police work instead of standing around and just stopping everybody who looks suspicious....it was all a numbers game without tact. It's like if I go to a club and start talking to every woman in there, by the end of the night, I should have at least one number, you know?
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I pay no attention to the murder rate whatsoever because I don't belong to any of the demographic,social or occupational categories that 99.5 of the murder victims are in. It's a shame that so many gang members,drug dealers and angry spouses and lovers keep murdering each other but I can't see getting nervous or losing any sleep over it with the exception of babies and kids who get murdered by family.That bothers me.
In the whole 7 years I've lived in The Bronx there has only been 1 murder in my precinct where the victim didn't fall into one or more of the usual murder victim profile categories and even she died because of a poor decision on her part.
You cannot ignore murder rates as an indicator. So many robberies, burglaries and assaults go unreported. Murders tend to get reported, pretty much all the time. Take your nice murder free neighborhood and compare it to one with high counts. Overall, you'll think your neighborhood is nicer.
People here still seem to ignore or refuse to acknowledge that the highest crime rates exist in these hoods.
What type of people live in the hood?
Black and brown folks!
So if the police become pro-active and send more resources to these hoods, common sense would tell you that the chances favor that any arrest being made or any stop & frisk person being stopped and frisked is going to be black or brown. So the rhetoric of S&F being discriminatory because only "minorities" get picked is totally false.
People here still seem to ignore or refuse to acknowledge that the highest crime rates exist in these hoods.
What type of people live in the hood?
Black and brown folks!
So if the police become pro-active and send more resources to these hoods, common sense would tell you that the chances favor that any arrest being made or any stop & frisk person being stopped and frisked is going to be black or brown. So the rhetoric of S&F being discriminatory because only "minorities" get picked is totally false.
Who's more likely to commit insider trading? A white stockbroker or a black one? Does the SEC go after individuals in the finance industry based on racial data?
How come violent crime is the only crime that is profiled on race? Answer me that one and you may be worthy of discussion.
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"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence
Who's more likely to commit insider trading? A white stockbroker or a black one? Does the SEC go after individuals in the finance industry based on racial data?
Show me a link where the SEC racially profiles people and specifically says "(insert race here) commits more financial crime so we go after them." Because I can pull up hundreds of links on how Stop n Frisk works.
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"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence
Who's more likely to commit insider trading? A white stockbroker or a black one? Does the SEC go after individuals in the finance industry based on racial data?
How come violent crime is the only crime that is profiled on race? Answer me that one and you may be worthy of discussion.
Maybe people are more fearful of getting hurt or killed?
I don't think that the profiling of violent crime is entirely irrational.
In fact, you could use that to uncover some serious social problems.
The Blackest neighborhoods are the ones with the highest crime rate and it correlates to them often having the highest rates of poverty. These neighborhoods are often far from job centers, have high concentrations of public housing, halfway houses, SROs and the like.
Certain research suggests that when Black neighborhoods like Harlem, Ft. Greene, or Bedstuy receive influxes of whites and non Black immigrants that the Blacks in those neighborhoods tend to do better (they get better amenities, have more stores nearby, etc). I've known Black parents who felt the same way and didn't want their kids to be in too Black an environment.
It really has to do with segregation/marginalization. If your kids grow up around garbage and remain around that it can seriously harm them/limit their choices going forward. Sadly these Black ghettos were created after the industrial collapse and after Johnson had his war on poverty.
Show me a link where the SEC racially profiles people and specifically says "(insert race here) commits more financial crime so we go after them." Because I can pull up hundreds of links on how Stop n Frisk works.
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