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Most people I know from Throgs Neck don't work in manhattan....
Last edited by Jrock247; 01-16-2008 at 05:57 PM..
Reason: and those that do are usually in trades that have to be in work so early that they can beat rush hour
Agreed Seventh...so your argument of "why should I live somewhere with a short commute where I will walk to the store and can get accosted by hoodlums" is pointless...as you say it also occurs at the Upper West Side.....so since it is everywhere..why bring it up as an excuse to not live in Mott Haven? By your logic we should not be living anywhere in NYC, or ANY city for that matter.
JRock...there is good reason why none of them commute to the city...which is my point exactly. The area is very unnatractive to NYC commuters...however Mott Haven's appeal is its easy commute to Manhattan..which is fueling the "buzz"....however quietly that buzz is.....
are you denying the fact that you're more likely to be a victim of crime in mott haven than in the upper west side?
it happens everywhere, but come on, i'm sure people would like to reside where their chances of being a victim of crime are lower....
"oh well crime happens everywhere so it doesnt matter if i live on the upper west side or mott haven...."
how ridiculous is that...try explaining your logic to somebody who lives on west end avenue and 86th and tell him or her that they're just as safe on brook avenue...LMAO!
I am not denying the fact that Mott Haven has a higher crime rate...that is 100% indisputable...however I am just repeating what you said...and your example clearly shows that it happens in every community...so lets not target Mott Haven as the sole culprit..although you are at a higher risk.
And as you can see from the crime map..crime DOES happen everywhere....however it happens moreso in areas like Mott Haven. However, as we discussed, the preponderance of crime is between people who know eachother also...so lets keep that in mind also.
I love New York, I was born here raised here and want to continue to raise my own family here but that is becoming an impossible feat nowadays. Crime is down 14 percent in NYC tops every newsline, as the NYPD roam inner-city neighborhoods killing innocent people they have replace the gangs in the city. New York isn't safer as a whole Manhattan is. Long ago are the days of Pimps, prostitutes and johns walking side by side with Drug Dealers, users and abusers strolling Times Square, where the XXX shops and Strip clubs are now replaced by Starbucks and Bistros that serve Foriegn food that you can't pronounce let alone afford. As Trump buys up NYC and his apprentices and wannabes do the same destroying relics of NYC like Brownstown, European and colonial era tenements for oblique glass and dry wall condos which they build in poor neighborhoods were we can't afford them and they bring in neighbors who cant ajust to the new neighborhood so the they ajust it to suit themselves.
What do I mean?
For an example Williamsburg Brooklyn is a perfect example. The once working class area which was a blend of Italian Americans, Irish Americans as well as African Americans and Latinos,with a bueatiful mix of Brownstones and tenements have become and area of large malls with useless stores and ugly oblique almost abstract 'post modern condos. Developers have been eyeing
this area for years because it's the most convient outerboro neighborhoods to the finanical district. Now Yuppies who cant find space in "Millionaires Manhattan" are now subjected to move to the outerboros and ruining middle class and low income areas with their coffee shops, Gristedes, and artsy districts, which means those Anthony Pizzas and Ortiz Deli & Grocery where you played you numbers both get replaced by two starbucks less than a bock away from each other.
Look no one wants NYC to go back to circa 1977 with the South Bronx riots but if whites who left New York to rot in the 70's and 80's for greener pastures in New Jersey want to move back to the city we all have to work together so everyone cant get their slice of theApple.
It's no lie it's getting roughout there. The economy sucks. Mary and Bill in Central NJ can't afford to drive their SUVs into NYC and back everyday now they want to move to NYC to be closer to work but if Safe "Millionaires Manhattan" is full where to they go?
Next door to me in Harlem or the Bronx or Brooklyn where they change my neighborhood and tell me that i can't afford to live here anymore well i did before you came.
New Yorks culture is diminishing as more Native New Yorkers are forced farther out the Metro, that NY accent and attitude gets lost and when that happens we lost our charm but most , our pride, why do you think our sports teams suck, because our city sucks. NYC is become more of a Transient state, kind of how no one in Florida's main cities speak with a southern accent.
I was driven out of Queens because of this once....not again...Yuppies, GET LOST! I know everyone deserves to live here and all that peaceful crud...but I'm serious, you guys are killing it for all of us...you replaced the guy with the boombox on the corner with the guy with the earbuds and starbucks in his hand. You guys replaced the kids playing basketball in the parks with women in prada walking poodles in the park. Need I say more?
Jesus christ this thread is ridiculous. I cannot believe that people are aguing about the merits of living close to Manhattan. If you don't personally care to go into Manhattan for any reason that is totally fine but you should at least accept the fact that it is where the VAST majority of the jobs are and is heart of NY. Sure, I live in Brooklyn and sometimes if I don't have to work I can occupy myself just fine without leaving the borough but that does not mean I would ever make the argument that Manhattan proximity doesn't matter.
If you want to live in a ****ty area of the Bronx and do not care about proximity to Manhattan you can live in a virtually identical bad neighborhood in any city in the country and save hundreds in rent each month.
I think Guy is one of the few people talking sense in this thread. Why are you people comparing living in Throgs Neck and taking the LIRR to living in Mott Haven? Maybe Mott Haven is not for everybody but you cannot deny it's proximity to Manhattan. If I were to gamble on a neighborhood to see some drastic changes over the next two decades it would be Mott Haven.
And OP: What the HELL are you talking about? Your post is completely uninteligible. Care to back up any of your ranting with facts? "NYPD replacing gangs"? Oh really? I've got news for you, people see your sh-tty attitude and that is precisely why they do not think twice about "ruining" your neighborhood with art galleries, bistros, and...god forbid...COFFEE SHOPS!!!
Try to intelligently engage in the discourse instead of spewing your BS "stop snitching" rhetoric and it would get you much further.
Well proximity to manhattan is relevant if you work there and commute daily. That said, some people value a good/safe NH and will pick that over proximity ANY DAY so it's personal. it will be ideal for someone who works in the city, to have good proximity and live in a good NH. But to have all those, you will certainly pay for it. MH is affordable and close to the city but the project density (and what comes with it) there is high and that is a huge draw back for most.
One thing people should remember is, educated/working "white people" are not the only ones "scared" of the projects and the "hood types". That sort of fear, whether warranted or not, seems to be equal opportunity.
Also, not everyone drools about living close to the city. some just dont' care for it as much whether they work there or not.
Now, as far as attacking the OP, you can tell s/he is not a native english speaking person so that explains the structure of the write up. so let's ease up on the attacks
Jeffcon...good post...and not just because you see "outside the box" ...your perspective is right on. To think somebody believes their lives are ruined by art galleries, coffee shops, and other amenities that improve the quality of life for EVERYONE...yet they are perfectly content to live with the threat of nonstop violence, thuggery, rampant ignorance, filth, and a complete disregard for society's norms and values. Keep active in the forum!
Saadra..your post was pure nonsense. You are blaming hipsters for driving you out of neighborhoods? Are you serious? The hipsters are NOT the problem here...it is the 3 generation welfare abusers, the HS dropouts that hang out until 3am lookin for trouble with no future but crime and prison, the thugs/gang members that hold entire communities hostage...it is the attitude and pride in ignorance and the "lowest common denominator"that pervades this ghetto subculture.
Did you think this 30 year anamoly that has kept your rent cheap and destroyed generations of people would last forever? Things change..life changes..especially in this city. I suspect when you or your family immigrated to this city they were met with such unjustifyable, ignorant, and immature statements, and even violence. Yet you turn around and do the same thing to these "hipsters." You are not guranteed your place in this community anynore than the white people that I am sure your family replaced were guaranteed a place here.
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