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Old 05-01-2017, 07:30 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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You can't help people who won't even try to help themselves.

My true colors will show but maybe something I heard Rush Limbaugh say about 20 years ago, still applies.

"Poor people choose to be poor." This does not necessarily apply to all poor people, but certainly to the overwhelming majority.

I felt then, as I do now, that the more handouts they get from the gov't ("We the people"), the less incentive they have to even attempt to lift themselves up. Sad. But true.
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Old 05-01-2017, 08:38 AM
 
Location: New York City
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"Poor people choose to be poor." This does not necessarily apply to all poor people, but certainly to the overwhelming majority.
Mostly by ignorance & lack of education though
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:49 AM
 
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Well at least kicking them off the rolls shifts the burden from the general taxpayer to the specific consumer of that product. Still no justification to mandate $15/hr for flipping burgers. Not every job should be "livable wage". If you don't have the education to work a job that feeds your family of 8, then if you didn't have the intelligence to use condoms you need to dig your heels in and get a second or third job

I'm not saying the minimum wage should be artificially high, but if it were still say, 7.25, that would be almost worthless around here.

Also, I've worked a few different jobs now and fast food was by far the worst. While I'm not saying fast food workers need a minimum wage of $20 an hour, their jobs are terrible and I have sympathy for them.
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Old 05-02-2017, 09:04 AM
 
Location: NYC
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The $15 wage is bad because it was had very little studies or planning before it was ok'ed. Mainly to buy votes while leaving a ton of problems afterwards.

Without doing a proper study, the boost in wage pushed some workers above the limit for benefits qualifications. Unless they change the rules, it will force many workers to cut hours or not receive benefits which is the actual intention. But without the benefits, $15/hr isn't enough to offset the loss in benefits.

Bad planning.
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:43 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I'm not saying the minimum wage should be artificially high, but if it were still say, 7.25, that would be almost worthless around here.

Also, I've worked a few different jobs now and fast food was by far the worst. While I'm not saying fast food workers need a minimum wage of $20 an hour, their jobs are terrible and I have sympathy for them.
They're low skilled jobs for uneducated people or kids in high school, and they pay accordingly. If these people should earn $15-20 an hour, then every white collar job should pay at least $50 an hour. That would just lead to the cost of everything skyrocketing beyond belief.
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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If notice many places have cut hours over the past few months. In fact walking around the other night along Second and First avenues it is amazing how so much is closed by 11PM, this where you once found things open until midnight or later.


Nearly every Starbucks one knows of on the UES is closed by 1030PM.
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:31 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The $15 wage is bad because it was had very little studies or planning before it was ok'ed. Mainly to buy votes while leaving a ton of problems afterwards.
It could make sense to have it as high as $15 in NYC but to mandate the same in like Schenectady or Binghampton is pure foolishness. Cuomo is almost as big a moron as DeBlasio
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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The reason a lot of these college and university want $15 for flipping burgers and serving over price coffee they know their gender studies degree will be worthless in the real world!
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:39 PM
 
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They're low skilled jobs for uneducated people or kids in high school, and they pay accordingly. If these people should earn $15-20 an hour, then every white collar job should pay at least $50 an hour. That would just lead to the cost of everything skyrocketing beyond belief.
Repped! This must be my first time repping you!

Which is why businesses in the service sector solve that problem by hiring illegal immigrants. Because as you just pointed out, if you pay everyone a high wage, businesses have to raise prices to sustain that. I agree that they clearly jobs for uneducated people or just entry level jobs for young people. I worked in food service when I was an undergraduate. It was decent spending money.
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