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Yes it's a sociohistorical and socioeconomic issue that needs to be addressed nationwide.
And actually NYC is fairly unique in it's public transportation system. I bet in Atlanta area many poor Blacks have never really left their neighborhood. In NYC going out of your neighborhood is just a subway fare away. NYC has a lot of well educated people who like to debate marginalization, segregation, etc. But that doesn't mean other places aren't worse, it's just that NYC attracts policy makers and academics who like to discuss these things.
Most impoverished people in NYC rarely leave their neighborhood or their particular borough, despite having a wealth of public transportation options.
Ownership also means little if you own a home in an area far from jobs. I've known many Black homeowners in Central Alabama. They are also two hours away from an airport, from major hospitals, and any other worthwhile amenity.
With that said believe it or not there are middle class Black people in NYC working in civil service, education, hospitals, and even in the private sector.
Lastly not all Black New Yorkers are tied to the South. Perhaps the majority of Blacks here are immigrants or first generation Americans. Black Hispanics, West Indians, and Africans have no reason to go to the South.
As for Black Americans whose families have been living in NYC for generations, they won't know anybody in the South. All my older relatives in the South are passing on and if I were to have children there would be nobody for them to know in the South. For many families this is already the case.
But you know all this. From time to time you come here and post under different usernames how all Blacks should worship the South.
I am not advocating for blacks to only consider the South. What about the Midwest or other regions? Heck, how about considering international opportunities, especially if one is educated and has in demand skills?
Very true. I read an article similar to what is going on in San Francisco. This is regional national phenomenon. So far the biggest problems of inequality are solely in liberal urban regions.
It has nothing to do with liberalism!!
There are inequities in conservative places like Mississippi. For rather obvious historical reasons the people with the top jobs in Mississippi are white. Ditto Alabama.
I think you for some reason don't want to confront that this is a national sociohistorical issue with heavy racial undertones. It has nothing to do with cities, transplants, liberals, conservatives, etc.
White families in much large numbers were able to get subsidized mortgages and move to the suburbs post WW2. Earlier before other groups could do it, they were able to get GI bills and have the military pay for their educations and also use the military to give them subsidized mortgages.
Recent arrivals in to the US/NYC make take generations for their families to climb up to that.
Of Black families that moved up socioeconomically, again this had to do with the overall state of your family. My grandparents were homeowners, and them having assets did enable make to attend top universities ultimately.
Most impoverished people in NYC rarely leave their neighborhood or their particular borough, despite having a wealth of public transportation options.
Proof?
I've lived in Bronx and in Queens, and those subway commutes are extremely crowded going into Manhattan during rush hours. Those workers work in a variety of jobs ,and some of them are low wage. So proof of your claims?
I've lived in Bronx and in Queens, and those subway commutes are extremely crowded going into Manhattan during rush hours. Those workers work in a variety of jobs ,and some of them are low wage. So proof of your claims?
I'm a native New Yorker. If you are also native to the area, you know that most low income people rarely leave their immediate communities. Surely, they use public transportation, but more often than not, they stay within the confines of their boroughs and rarely take advantage of the various museums, shows, etc, that NYC has to offer (because they can't afford it).
Just a week and a half ago, I ventured back to NY to visit family. My family and I purchased tickets to see Wynton Marsalis and the Lincoln Center Orchestra perform a Thelonious Monk tribute concert at New York City’s Town Hall. Needless to say, there were hardly ANY blacks present (other than a handful of older black couples, which was interesting considering that it was a sold out performance).
Anyhow, I love visiting NYC because I can engage in all of the activities that make NYC great. I simply feel bad for the working poor and lower middle class, who rarely have an opportunity to see a Broadway performance, watch an off Broadway play, or enjoy a great musician like Marsalis...
For black Americans, the wealth of a family or two that has been "middle class for generations" makes little impact on the problem, which is a big one.
Thought I would point that out before someone posts stories about somebody as a demonstration that the problem is nonexistent.
Very true. I read an article similar to what is going on in San Francisco. This is regional national phenomenon. So far the biggest problems of inequality are solely in liberal urban regions.
The most recent info available from the census is 09-13 info.
There are other examples of Black median household incomes in other parts of the metro, state and Northeast/Midwest that would be viewed as middle class. This can be found in a range of areas in terms of Black percentage from very low to overwhelmingly Black. Ive actually contributed to such threads on here.
Also, the mobility statement is due to the second article I posted in my first post within this thread.
Gasp! You posted stats on the Black middle class in the NY area, and that isn't permitted. There are Black middle class neighborhoods in metro NYC area! Oh the horror, the horror from liberals/progressives that like use Blacks as a pet cause like saving the whales or saving the lions.
I am not advocating for blacks to only consider the South. What about the Midwest or other regions? Heck, how about considering international opportunities, especially if one is educated and has in demand skills?
Well if one is educated and has in demand skills there is no reason to leave NYC is there? Regardless people should live where they want to and it's not up to you to tell Blacks where to live.
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