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Old 11-06-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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For two sharply divided Manhattan schools, an uncertain path to integration | Chalkbeat

So again there's issues as the city integrates a poor public school with a wealthy public school.

Southern cities have much more integrated schools than NYC, and as gentrification expanded the population of whites with kids in the city, NYC is finally being forced to deal with segregation in NYC public schools in Manhattan and Brooklyn.
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:04 PM
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Old 11-06-2015, 04:18 PM
 
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I'm following with interest the PS 191/PS199 skirmish as our oldest attended middle school years back at 191. At the time it was not a middle school of choice, but it was also far from "persistently dangerous" as the state has labeled it. Maybe things have changed. But I remember it as a decent place back then, where of the 60 or so students, the top 10% to 15% all went to selective or specialized high schools -- LaGuardia, Beacon, Millennium, Brooklyn Tech, PPA, among them. In other words, the strong students got what they needed. I don't know why that wouldn't still be the case. The new principal seems on top of things.

There were only a handful of white kids, but they and their parents were treated well, with no issues I ever heard of. And all the black and Hispanic kids were NOT, as many of the present-day parents might suppose, poor and living in the projects. Some in fact were living in West Side housing quite a bit better than we could manage. Some parents seem to think only in cliches about schools with black/Hispanic/poor kids. Sometimes those cliches are right, but sometimes they're just plain wrong because fear rules all.

To deal with the overcrowding I like the idea of putting all of the lower grades on one school and all of the higher grades in another. In other times and places that is a solution that has worked. Maybe its time to try again and see if it can work. All that's needed is some goodwill on both sides -- though with the sense of entitlelment some people in their million dollar-pus condos have, plus their fear of black and Hispanic kids, it may be a brutal, uphill climb to get there.
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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Topic has been discussed in the other current thread about gentrification and NYC public schools.

Bottom line is the UWS is changing same as much of Manhattan/NYC. Many moved into the zoned area for P.S. 191 assuming their children would automatically be admitted. Sadly on many fronts there have been failures so with that school full to bursting people are being told their kids will have to go to that "other" school (P.S. 199). A place even the BOE once labeled "unsafe".

Having chased out much of the old liberal/progressive sorts of the UWS of old (they have moved to Brooklyn, *LOL*) what you have in that area now is pretty much the same as with much of Manhattan; well off so called "liberal/progressive" households that perhaps are so in name only when it comes to certain things.

IIRC by law NYC is not supposed to allow residential construction without the proper amount of seats existing for primary schools. That seems to have gone by the wayside as the City has allowed developers to build new housing with abandon but not kept up with supplying new schools.

This raging battle is tearing apart the UWS which once was a place known for households of all socio-economic and demographics getting along. The newly arrived transplant families seem not to have read that memo.
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:01 PM
 
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The UWS parents have money, options, and likely a fair degree of influence,, and are not likely to sacrifice the children's future on the alter of racial integration.
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:08 PM
 
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Upper West Side rich liberals are all for integration, as long as it doesn't apply to them. They sneered at the "racist" south when whites withdrew from public schools when busing hit in the 1970's. They sneer at the south today. Guess what Upper West Side rich liberals, you are worse because you are a bunch of rich phonies.

You're also stupid. You didn't know NYC has the right to rezone districts?
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:46 PM
 
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Upper West Side rich liberals are all for integration, as long as it doesn't apply to them. They sneered at the "racist" south when whites withdrew from public schools when busing hit in the 1970's. They sneer at the south today. Guess what Upper West Side rich liberals, you are worse because you are a bunch of rich phonies.

You're also stupid. You didn't know NYC has the right to rezone districts?
They're not necessarily liberal though...and it's not even known what percentage of the residents in the area are against the merge
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:53 PM
 
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The UWS parents have money, options, and likely a fair degree of influence,, and are not likely to sacrifice the children's future on the alter of racial integration.
These parents have "money" but not *MONEY*. If they did the public school situation wouldn't bother them as much as they would be gunning for private.

What you have is a large influx of "middle class" (who would be considered wealthy in most any other part of the USA based upon income) into the UWS that are strapped. Between high rent/housing costs and other such things associated with living in NYC they are or were counting on a good public school education for their children. This would save them some money and thus allow said families to live the "NYC experience".

Again what these persons want is typical suburban mentality; they are paying through the nose in terms of taxes and other costs for living in NYC and as such want (or demand) that their children attend a top public (zoned) school as of right. After all that is *WHY* they are paying all those taxes and certainly how many came to choose the areas they moved into.

Problem is the UWS or Manhattan, Brooklyn, etc... are not Scarsdale, Larchmont, Maplewood, Millburn or any of the other suburban places with high taxes but excellent public schools. Space is limited and demand in highly rated zoned public school zones is outstripping supply.
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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For two sharply divided Manhattan schools, an uncertain path to integration | Chalkbeat

So again there's issues as the city integrates a poor public school with a wealthy public school.

Southern cities have much more integrated schools than NYC, and as gentrification expanded the population of whites with kids in the city, NYC is finally being forced to deal with segregation in NYC public schools in Manhattan and Brooklyn.
Brown Band board of education was 60 years ago. Intergration was meant for the south and not for the northeast. Segregation is still a problem up here in the northeast and is well alive. I have to say it but liberals don't any better and are two faced.
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:55 PM
 
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NYC High Schools are all integrated, and look how good those are. LOL.

Return the DOE to the BOE and let the communities handle it.
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