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in all seriousness there has been found to be zero link both in the military and in law enforcement between range scores and field hits under stress , different conditions and no use of sights in combat scenario's .
you can check out the nypd so9 report which tracks all firearm discharges and study's hit ratio's which is one aspect .
So in combat you dont actually aim down the barrel and line up the sights. I guess that makes sense. If you dont that you face is exposed to return fire.
Then maybe the police and military need to teach soldiers and cops to ballpark the placement without holding the gun right in front of their faces.
handgun shooting is not distance rifle shooting . handgun encounters happen within 8 ft at best and are so fast there is no time to align sights .
both military and law enforcement are taught to shoot without sights but it is hard , especially because your fine motor skills shut down when under stress fire .
as an article on seecamps site stated :
An exhaustive NYPD report (NYPD SOP 9) revealed that in 70% of recorded police shootings (the majority under poor lighting conditions) officers did not use sights while 10% of the time officers didn't remember whether sights were used. In the remaining 20% of the cases, officers recollected using some form of visual aid to line up the target ~ which could be the sights themselves or just the barrel.
The NYPD statistics showed no correlation between an officer's range scores and his ability to hit a suspect at close range.
The mean score for NYPD police officers (1990-2000) for all shootings is fifteen hits per 100 shots fired, which is almost the identical hit ratio seen among Miami officers ~ who in the years 1990-2001 fired some 1300 rounds at suspects while recording fewer than 200 hits. Almost unbelievably, some NYPD figures show 62% of shots fired at a distance of less than six feet were complete misses.
The 1988 US Army training manual for pistols and revolvers [FM 23-35], in apparent recognition of the disconnect between sighted shooting at the range and the ability to score hits in short distance combat, wisely calls for point shoot training at distances of less than fifteen feet.
The ability to shoot targets at 25 yards using sights sadly seems to provide little or no advantage in close combat.
Nor are there recorded instances where an officer required a reload in close combat. When reloads do occur, there is no immediate threat to the officer's safety and the perpetrator has usually barricaded himself in a defensive posture. A study by Etten and Petee (l995) showed that neither large capacity magazines nor the ability to reload quickly was a factor in shootings.
Speed reloads at short ranges just don't happen, and practicing paper punching at long ranges using sights appears to prepare one for short range conflict to the same degree it prepares one for using flying insect spray. (Hitting an annoying yellow jacket buzzing a picnic table without spraying the guests or the food might be better practice for combat than long range paper punching. So might a plain old-fashioned water pistol fight.)
Using sights at shorter ranges invites problems
In order to use sights a shooter has to put at least one hand in front of their face. This obstructs the view behind the hand they have placed there. When the focus is on the upper torso of the threatening individual, the lower portion of that person is partially or completely hidden from view by this deliberately chosen visual obstruction. The closer the target, the greater is the degree of visual impairment that may cause the shooter to fail to recognize potentially important information below the sight picture.
Statistics show pistol sights generally go out the window once shooting starts.
With both hands in front of one's face, one is less able to recognize whether a possible threat is reaching for a gun or a wallet when the landscape below the target area is blocked from view. One might perceive movement but one cannot see what is being moved. There is no doubt in my mind accidental shootings of unarmed individuals have in many instances been caused by sight shoot training, in which a trained focus on a clear sight picture leaves one necessarily with an incomplete view of the important overall scenario.
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Sounds like a good plan to tax more middle class families out of NY state. More funding for ghetto inner city schools comes from middle class to wealthy neighborhoods than anywhere else. They will only pay up to a certain point, and from how expensive it is to live here, we've already crossed that line. At some point inner city kids will have to do their part too. And I'm not just talking about a handful of kids per classroom. We need people to fill jobs, and ghetto kids just don't cut it when they cannot compete academically. So we just keep having to bring in resources from outside the city.
The bulk of the real estate taxes would have to be paid by real estate taxes on corporate real estate or high end residential real estate. Any place that is a part of the same local government shares the tax base for schools. If these people don't get good educations you'll be paying for their welfare and prison.
Btw public policy created ghettoes. It is much better to subsidize someone's education and encourage economic growth than pay for a combination of welfare and prison.
not really sure . it can be like the age old debate whether getting people to eat healthier and exercise will actually burden the healthcare system even more as folks live longer . you have study's on both sides of these conflicts saying yes and no .
if there is an anti education sentiment then no amount invested in education will help . but that isn't a discussion for this thread .
The bulk of the real estate taxes would have to be paid by real estate taxes on corporate real estate or high end residential real estate. Any place that is a part of the same local government shares the tax base for schools. If these people don't get good educations you'll be paying for their welfare and prison.
Btw public policy created ghettoes. It is much better to subsidize someone's education and encourage economic growth than pay for a combination of welfare and prison.
It is not sharing. An uneven allocation goes to the ghetto, which is perfectly fine, they need the help. But if they keep underachieving, and still are fed welfare, what's the point. Those that fund it will eventually just move further away from the root cause of financial waste. At some point ghetto culture will have to change, else they'll keep going right back where they started. There is no progression. Ghetto communities are the most backward communities in this city (and country). Funny how they always vote democrat.
It is not sharing. An uneven allocation goes to the ghetto, which is perfectly fine, they need the help. But if they keep underachieving, and still are fed welfare, what's the point. Those that fund it will eventually just move further away from the root cause of financial waste. At some point ghetto culture will have to change, else they'll keep going right back where they started. There is no progression. Ghetto communities are the most backward communities in this city (and country). Funny how they always vote democrat.
Thank you for your candor.
As harsh as what you said is, there is no denying well of people and big companies disproportionately pay the property taxes that fund NYC. The problem is all poor municipalities like Compton, Ca have worse schools than the worse ghetto in NYC because it's an all pour tax base. So violence, unemployment, and other social issues are even worse.
Whenever people suggestion education to improve things or for social mobility people act as if money grows n trees. The thing is education has to be paid for, whether via tax payers or private sources or a combination if things. So when people discuss what needs to happens in education they need to discuss who is going to pay for these improvements.
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