Street Easy Predicts "Hot" Neighborhoods for 2016 (New York, Brighton: affordable apartments, condo)
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Unless things have drastically changed (by reading Bluedog's posts things have not), the "urban" area of Pelham Parkway is still a great area that can only get better not worse. You have all means of transportation in one central area, a vibrant retail area, lots of ethnic restaurants, a grocery, a natural food store. It seems to have held its value over the years from a real estate perspective too. It's very affordable and convenient.
The landlords certainly prefer "cornball" families to ghetto families. The so called cornballs pay more money and a landlord is a businessman, not a baby sitter.
It's beyond money. It also has a lot to do with classless behavior, classless character and the failure to assimilate into American mainstream culture. They live in their own little world with an allegiance to the street code. I say invite more "cornball" families to live in NYC and displace the hood folks.
I've never seen or heard of an entire projects being moved, and with the limited space we have in this city right now, I just don't see that happening.
The affordable housings that were just built or still being built throughout NY, already have a line of thousands of people filing for a unit.
New Jersey, Chicago, parts of the South, etc... many local areas have torn down federal housing estates (projects) and replaced them with other forms.
Here in NYC the Markham Houses on Staten Island were torn down and replaced with a mix of affordable and market rate housing. And so it goes.... America’s Extinct Housing Projects | News One
Why are these places being torn down?
First many were at or beyond their useful lives. That is the structures had been rode hard and put away wet; meaning they required vast sums for maintenance and or bringing up to modern code standards. Federal and or local government simply felt that money could be spent better elsewhere.
Next the purpose of these housing estates was to provide low, working and even middle class families with better housing than the slums and tenements they often replaced. In the beginning that may have been true but fast forward a few decades and many housing projects became just as crime and poverty filled as the slums/tenements they replaced. Long story short the model of "segregating" the poor/lower classes into these estates was just not working.
New housing models calls for a mix of "affordable" and low income households in the same project. This is based on the hope the lower classes will benefit by being around stable middle class households.
New housing models calls for a mix of "affordable" and low income households in the same project. This is based on the hope the lower classes will benefit by being around stable middle class households.
This could work in theory but is not practical in real life in my opinion.
I'm sorry but I don't see middle class families opting to have low income, Project tenants as neighbors. While it may help the low income folks to rub elbows with better off middle class folks, the opposite is also true in that middle class folks could be corrupted by having ghetto neighbors. It's a 2-way street.
The point of getting an education and earning more money is to improve one's quality of life and move into a more desirable building/area with like minded people who share the same values as you. Having project people living among you with all the ignorant stuff they do, does not seem like an environment a middle class person would opt to choose.
Hood people will always push out (scare away) middle class folks (the opposite of gentrification) from their residence as they wish not to deal with the ratchetness hood people impose on the community. An initial 50/50 demographic split between low income folks and middle class folks in an apartment building can easily become 80/20 and eventually 100% low income as the initial middle class folks begin to move out to escape the ghettoness.
The only way this plan would work is if you keep hood people in a low concentration in the building like 10%-15% max. This way these hood people are out numbered and are forced to assimilate to the predominate culture of the building/area. The idea is that you don't want these hood people to get too comfortable. You want them to feel like they are being judged by the other middle class residences. This will help them stay in check and not get out of hand with their ghetto tendencies.
This could work in theory but is not practical in real life in my opinion.
I'm sorry but I don't see middle class families opting to have low income, Project tenants as neighbors. While it may help the low income folks to rub elbows with better off middle class folks, the opposite is also true in that middle class folks could be corrupted by having ghetto neighbors. It's a 2-way street.
The point of getting an education and earning more money is to improve one's quality of life and move into a more desirable building/area with like minded people who share the same values as you. Having project people living among you with all the ignorant stuff they do, does not seem like an environment a middle class person would opt to choose.
Hood people will always push out (scare away) middle class folks (the opposite of gentrification) from their residence as they wish not to deal with the ratchetness hood people impose on the community. An initial 50/50 demographic split between low income folks and middle class folks in an apartment building can easily become 80/20 and eventually 100% low income as the initial middle class folks begin to move out to escape the ghettoness.
The only way this plan would work is if you keep hood people in a low concentration in the building like 10%-15% max. This way these hood people are out numbered and are forced to assimilate to the predominate culture of the building/area. The idea is that you don't want these hood people to get too comfortable. You want them to feel like they are being judged by the other middle class residences. This will help them stay in check and not get out of hand with their ghetto tendencies.
At least with Markham Gardens from what one has heard they had and still are having a difficult time getting market rate tenants. Middle class persons just aren't willing to pay the sums wanted to live in a "hood" regardless of new construction. The lower income and senior housing IIRC did well, and they moved some persons displaced after SS Sandy...
Have family members who went to look at units in MG when it was first built and they couldn't believe how much money was wanted to live in that part of West Brighton.
At least with Markham Gardens from what one has heard they had and still are having a difficult time getting market rate tenants. Middle class persons just aren't willing to pay the sums wanted to live in a "hood" regardless of new construction. The lower income and senior housing IIRC did well, and they moved some persons displaced after SS Sandy...
Have family members who went to look at units in MG when it was first built and they couldn't believe how much money was wanted to live in that part of West Brighton.
It's very true. Common sense actually. All one has to do is put themselves in such a position, being a stable middle class family. The idea is to remove yourself and family from the self destructive ghetto people. Why opt to have ghetto neighbors when you can go elsewhere in city where the area is gentrified and free of ghetto folks?
This could work in theory but is not practical in real life in my opinion.
I'm sorry but I don't see middle class families opting to have low income, Project tenants as neighbors. While it may help the low income folks to rub elbows with better off middle class folks, the opposite is also true in that middle class folks could be corrupted by having ghetto neighbors. It's a 2-way street.
The point of getting an education and earning more money is to improve one's quality of life and move into a more desirable building/area with like minded people who share the same values as you. Having project people living among you with all the ignorant stuff they do, does not seem like an environment a middle class person would opt to choose.
Hood people will always push out (scare away) middle class folks (the opposite of gentrification) from their residence as they wish not to deal with the ratchetness hood people impose on the community. An initial 50/50 demographic split between low income folks and middle class folks in an apartment building can easily become 80/20 and eventually 100% low income as the initial middle class folks begin to move out to escape the ghettoness.
The only way this plan would work is if you keep hood people in a low concentration in the building like 10%-15% max. This way these hood people are out numbered and are forced to assimilate to the predominate culture of the building/area. The idea is that you don't want these hood people to get too comfortable. You want them to feel like they are being judged by the other middle class residences. This will help them stay in check and not get out of hand with their ghetto tendencies.
With the ridiculously high rents of NYC these days, I'm sure there are many "non-ghetto" people willing to live around "ghetto" people, if it means getting a more affordable rent. Especially if they don't have kids.
Also most of these places are 80/20 (market rate/affordable) rather than 50/50. And out of that 20%, not all of those people are necessarily ghetto but just poor.
It's very true. Common sense actually. All one has to do is put themselves in such a position, being a stable middle class family. The idea is to remove yourself and family from the self destructive ghetto people. Why opt to have ghetto neighbors when you can go elsewhere in city where the area is gentrified and free of ghetto folks?
Not having enough money to live in a gentrified area or simply not caring
With the ridiculously high rents of NYC these days, I'm sure there are many "non-ghetto" people willing to live around "ghetto" people, if it means getting a more affordable rent. Especially if they don't have kids.
Also most of these places are 80/20 (market rate/affordable) rather than 50/50. And out of that 20%, not all of those people are necessarily ghetto but just poor.
In those cases ghetto people are being displaced. Allpro is speaking of the new housing situations created when housing projects are destroyed. Chicago destroyed its housing projects and placed the ghetto people in working class suburbs. How did that turn out? Those suburbs became the new ghettoes, and Chicago area murder rate is 3 times that of NY and Chicago has 1/3 the population of NY.
NYC areas that gentrified did so because of brutal police crackdowns and massive real estate investment that forced hood people out and brought in amenities.
With the ridiculously high rents of NYC these days, I'm sure there are many "non-ghetto" people willing to live around "ghetto" people, if it means getting a more affordable rent. Especially if they don't have kids.
Also most of these places are 80/20 (market rate/affordable) rather than 50/50. And out of that 20%, not all of those people are necessarily ghetto but just poor.
Oh I don't know about that.
About ten years ago a former neighbor on Staten Island (lived next door to us) had a niece whose family was approved to move into Todt Hill Houses. They lasted barely a year before moving right back out again. The woman and her husband just were not willing to subject their children to the "hood" goings on in that place. Mind you this is Todt Hill PJ's considered one of the crown jewels of the NYCHA system.
Know persons who either live in or have to visit various housing projects (nurses, social workers, etc..) and you cannot believe what goes on in some places. There is hood and then you have "HOOD". Urination and defecation in common areas. Loud music blasting 24/7, visible and defiant gang activity, drugs, prossing, etc.... No respect for females, seniors or anyone else. Complain or get to involved in trying to "change" things and a bullet might fly through your window or door.
I know that area of West Brighton where Markham Gardens is and you couldn't pay me to live there. Ditto for West Brighton Houses or anywhere east of Bement Avenue below Castleton or in some areas even Forest Avenues.
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