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It deos not matter what happened 40 years ago. The current trend is for white and Asian population growth within the city and for Blacks and Hispanics to be displaced to poor suburban locations. Denying this is not going to stop it. East Harlem itself is gentrifying, and the South Bronx is about 10 years away from that.
But you're moving goalposts, I'm talking about the Mexican population and it doesn't look like they're getting pushed anywhere. They're increasing in number in NYC, they went from the 17th largest immigrant group in 1990 2nd only behind Chinese. And there are still areas of the city which are heavily black and/or Hispanic and I don't see that changing any time soon.
But you're moving goalposts, I'm talking about the Mexican population and it doesn't look like they're getting pushed anywhere. They're increasing in number in NYC, they went from the 17th largest immigrant group in 1990 2nd only behind Chinese. And there are still areas of the city which are heavily black and/or Hispanic and I don't see that changing any time soon.
Currently the Black population is the city has decline and current the Hispanic growth rates has nearly halted. Currently the growth in population in those groups is in the suburbs. It is something you don't want to deal with. No goal posts were moved. Those populations including Mexicans are being displaced. The Mexican population in the Lower Eadt Side for example was a lot bigger just 10 years ago before Hispanics mostly got displaced out of that neighborhood.
Neighborhoods such as Harlem, Bedstuy, Bushwick all have had rapid growth in their white populations. Ft. Greene has displaced the majority of Blacks not living in the projects. Going into denial about this is just plain silly.
Currently the Black population is the city has decline and current the Hispanic growth rates has nearly halted. Currently the growth in population in those groups is in the suburbs. It is something you don't want to deal with. No goal posts were moved. Those populations including Mexicans are being displaced. The Mexican population in the Lower Eadt Side for example was a lot bigger just 10 years ago before Hispanics mostly got displaced out of that neighborhood.
Neighborhoods such as Harlem, Bedstuy, Bushwick all have had rapid growth in their white populations. Ft. Greene has displaced the majority of Blacks not living in the projects. Going into denial about this is just plain silly.
What do you mean I don't want to deal with it? And the Lower East Side is very expensive to live in now, so of course it won't be a hub for lower income immigrants. But the Mexican population in the city is way larger now than back then anyway.
And I never said those neighborhoods didn't have an increase in whites, but you act like black folk are leaving the city en masse, which isn't quite true. Brooklyn is still over 30% black. Those East Brooklyn and South Bronx neighborhoods tend to have a very low percentage of whites, and it will probably take a while for that to change, especially when more than a 30 minute subway ride to Manhattan is involved.
What do you mean I don't want to deal with it? And the Lower East Side is very expensive to live in now, so of course it won't be a hub for lower income immigrants. But the Mexican population in the city is way larger now than back then anyway.
And I never said those neighborhoods didn't have an increase in whites, but you act like black folk are leaving the city en masse, which isn't quite true. Brooklyn is still over 30% black. Those East Brooklyn and South Bronx neighborhoods tend to have a very low percentage of whites, and it will probably take a while for that to change, especially when more than a 30 minute subway ride to Manhattan is involved.
Black people are indeed leaving the city en masse. There has been a huge drop in the growth rate of the Black population here and any growth is now in the suburbs. Again this is something you want to go into denial on when the statistics back it up as shown by the NY Times article. Plenty of articles have been written about the active displacement of Black people in places like Bedstuy, and everyone knows that's coming to ENY one day.
The Mexican population itself is on the fringes of the city, and definitely not in any urban core neighborhood. They'll join the other Hispanics out in the suburbs, that is, the ones who remain in the metro area.
You're upset because people you know will be displaced, and it's a terrible thought for you to deal with. 10 years ago the LES still had a decent Latino population, including Mexican. But white transplants were already there in decent numbers, and those Latinos were on their way out the DOOR.
Now the same thing repeats itself in all of Upper Manhattan, Bedstuy, Bushwick, Jackson Heights, Corona, etc. Compared to what they were 10 years ago, LIC, Downtown Brooklyn, and Williamsburg have completed gentrified and displaced those demographics straight out of the neighborhood unless they are living in projects.
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Black people are indeed leaving the city en masse. There has been a huge drop in the growth rate of the Black population here and any growth is now in the suburbs. Again this is something you want to go into denial on when the statistics back it up as shown by the NY Times article. Plenty of articles have been written about the active displacement of Black people in places like Bedstuy, and everyone knows that's coming to ENY one day.
The Mexican population itself is on the fringes of the city, and definitely not in any urban core neighborhood. They'll join the other Hispanics out in the suburbs, that is, the ones who remain in the metro area.
You're upset because people you know will be displaced, and it's a terrible thought for you to deal with. 10 years ago the LES still had a decent Latino population, including Mexican. But white transplants were already there in decent numbers, and those Latinos were on their way out the DOOR.
Now the same thing repeats itself in all of Upper Manhattan, Bedstuy, Bushwick, Jackson Heights, Corona, etc. Compared to what they were 10 years ago, LIC, Downtown Brooklyn, and Williamsburg have completed gentrified and displaced those demographics straight out of the neighborhood unless they are living in projects.
25% of New Yorkers are black and growing , so NYC still has a large black population . And it will continue to be , because black immigrants from the Caribbean , Africa and other parts of the world will continue to come and make NYC their homes
Black people are indeed leaving the city en masse. There has been a huge drop in the growth rate of the Black population here and any growth is now in the suburbs. Again this is something you want to go into denial on when the statistics back it up as shown by the NY Times article. Plenty of articles have been written about the active displacement of Black people in places like Bedstuy, and everyone knows that's coming to ENY one day.
The Mexican population itself is on the fringes of the city, and definitely not in any urban core neighborhood. They'll join the other Hispanics out in the suburbs, that is, the ones who remain in the metro area.
You're upset because people you know will be displaced, and it's a terrible thought for you to deal with. 10 years ago the LES still had a decent Latino population, including Mexican. But white transplants were already there in decent numbers, and those Latinos were on their way out the DOOR.
Now the same thing repeats itself in all of Upper Manhattan, Bedstuy, Bushwick, Jackson Heights, Corona, etc. Compared to what they were 10 years ago, LIC, Downtown Brooklyn, and Williamsburg have completed gentrified and displaced those demographics straight out of the neighborhood unless they are living in projects.
East Harlem, Jackson Heights, Sunset Park aren't exactly on the "fringes" of the city, it's not like we're talking about Rosedale or Wakefield. Of course poor immigrants aren't going to live in the LES, it's one of the most prime neighborhoods in the city. Most white people can't even afford the LES unless they live with roommates.
I'm not in denial of anything, you have this ridiculous idea that all black and Hispanic people will be gone from the city in the near future unless they're upper class or live in the projects.
And not for nothing but NYT articles aren't end alls, they can be a bit sensational. They release an article claiming NYC is the most segregated city in the country, then release another article saying it's nowhere near the most segregated city in the country.
And I hope you're not comparing Williamsburg and downtown Brooklyn to somewhere like the South Bronx, Mott Haven probably won't be like Williamsburg anytime in our lives. And even hipstered out Bushwick is still majority minority.
NYC suburbs are not cheap either, plus at least on Long Island the property taxes are high.
East Harlem, Jackson Heights, Sunset Park aren't exactly on the "fringes" of the city, it's not like we're talking about Rosedale or Wakefield. Of course poor immigrants aren't going to live in the LES, it's one of the most prime neighborhoods in the city. Most white people can't even afford the LES unless they live with roommates.
I'm not in denial of anything, you have this ridiculous idea that all black and Hispanic people will be gone from the city in the near future unless they're upper class or live in the projects.
And not for nothing but NYT articles aren't end alls, they can be a bit sensational. They release an article claiming NYC is the most segregated city in the country, then release another article saying it's nowhere near the most segregated city in the country.
And I hope you're not comparing Williamsburg and downtown Brooklyn to somewhere like the South Bronx, Mott Haven probably won't be like Williamsburg anytime in our lives. And even hipstered out Bushwick is still majority minority.
NYC suburbs are not cheap either, plus at least on Long Island the property taxes are high.
It's not a ridiculous idea, you just can't face reality. The West Village itself had a large Black population. They were pushed out of that area. So did Midtown. They were evicted out of what is now Central Park to make Central Park. The historical trend is that unwanted people are pushed further and further out.
East Harlem is Upper Manhattan, and these days Upper Manhattan is the only part of Manhattan that has Blacks and Hispanics in large numbers with the exception of those in the projects or who are rich. Oh and even there is gentrification and displacement. Harlem and Washington Heights are noticeably WHITER (more Asians too).
Queens. LIC and Western Queens (Astoria and now Sunnyside) are becoming increasingly white. Even Jackson Heights and Corona have growth in white and Asian populations. The Black parts of Queens are Jamaica and eastward, when one is practically in Nassau.
Brooklyn. The Black parts of Brooklyn are ENY and Brownsville. Ft. Greene, Bedstuy, Crown Heights are all in varying stages of gentrification and there is definitely displacement.
Displacement of groups in NYC from areas that become prime areas takes YEARS, but it happens.
I think you're afraid of a very obvious future. One that isn't too far off.
All these new buildings coming up all cross the city will have few Blacks or Hispanics, and will mostly have WHITES, along with some rich Asians moving in. Manhattan is already full of them, but now this is coming to the outer boroughs.
As formerly low income housing like Stuytown and Lefrak City become market rate, guess who got evicted? Certainly poor residents, and in the case of Lefrak City the majority of those were Black and Hispanic.
Either the new hotels or the JFK hotels will likely turn out as quasi (or complete) homeless shelters.
No, because de Blasio is scattering them in hotels converted into homeless shelters around the city. The Pan Am hotel was turned into a shelter in Elmhurst. The JFK hotels have not only the airport demand, but the Resorts World Casino is undergoing a major expansion.
Lastly people have short memories. I remember when big parts of Manhattan below 96th Street were terrible ghettoes, and look at them now. If you talk about early 20th century, Midtown itself was slummy. Wealth has concentrated in NYC, and the wealthy neighborhoods have EXPANDED.
They could easily turn the hotels into condos for wealthy investors, and YES foreigners or American out of towners would gladly by in Jamaica. Look at what these investors are doing in LIC, which just a few years ago was a horrible ghetto/industrial wasteland whose main residents lived in the Queensbridge projects. The people disparaging Jamaica should have bought there in 2008.
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