Andrew Cuomo Announces Renovation Plans for City's Penn Station

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by nybbler

Didn't East Side Access hit some sort of technical hurdle (that they absolutely pinky swear they didn't know about) which is going to make it cost 10 times as much?

I say forget about Penn Station; it sucks but it'll do. Think big: build a new train terminal at 14th street, and a new set of tunnels to Hoboken. I think there's some group that has an artists conception of this. It'll never happen of course, but as long as we're dreaming we may as well dream big.

Dream is right because it will never happen. Nope; never, ever.


Land costs alone would do any such project in and that is even with using NYS vastly liberal eminent domain laws. And it would have to be via ED as West Village, Chelsea, Far West Side land values have gone through the roof in the past few years. This in large part thanks to the High Line Park.


Ironically High Line, West Side/Hudson Yards probably would have made the only areas possible for any sort of new RR station/terminal in Manhattan. But again now that one is a park and the other developed for residential and commercial real estate, forget it.


New York City is pretty much stuck with the remains of what was built by the two great railroads; PRR and NYCRR.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy

This is just a make over. THey need to move the garden to the westside and rebuild penn station. Infrastructure has to be built.

MSG isn't going anywhere; the Dolans won't have it. Even Cuomo's so called "plan" for Penn Station leaves the Garden in place.


Cuomo ran his mouth about several large infrastructure projects; what he didn't say is how or who is going to pay. Just look at the mess he's making of the Tappan Zee financing to get an idea of how AG talks out of both sides of his mouth.

[vision33r]

Fixing Penn does nothing to the single track tunnels going in/out of the Hudson. They have less than 15-20 years left to replace that aging tunnel and they have not gotten any agreement from the Feds and NJ to replace it.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by vision33r

Fixing Penn does nothing to the single track tunnels going in/out of the Hudson. They have less than 15-20 years left to replace that aging tunnel and they have not gotten any agreement from the Feds and NJ to replace it.

Err, no.


Senator Charles Schumer, a man who never misses a beat in shoveling federal funds to New York along with Corey Booker of New Jersey finagled Congress into paying for half of the new Hudson River tunnels. It remains to be seen where NJ and NY come up with their halves to make up the other fifty percent.


New Hudson River tunnel project expected for 2016, report says | NJ.com


Hudson Reporter - Light at the end of the tunnel Port Authority advances plans for new train path under river