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1. You can tell what social class people belong to based how they dress. Lower classes to middle class dress slobby to mediocre. While the upper classes generally dress very sharp. This is different from my country where people regardless of their social class take pride in their appearance. The exception seems to be trendy areas with a lot of young people or tourist like Manhattan or Brooklyn.
Americans dress poorly in general—especially when compared with France, Italy and Japan. I agree that, as a whole, wealthy New Yorkers dress better than anywhere else in the country. They’re also generally thinner, which helps a lot.
Continental Europeans try to mask social distinctions with clothes whereas Americans (and the British to a lesser extent) tend to accentuate them.
Americans dress poorly in general—especially when compared with France, Italy and Japan. I agree that, as a whole, wealthy New Yorkers dress better than anywhere else in the country. They’re also generally thinner, which helps a lot.
Continental Europeans try to mask social distinctions with clothes whereas Americans (and the British to a lesser extent) tend to accentuate them.
Wealthy Americans with new money don't necessarily show it with clothing, they show it with mansions and mercedes benz.
and genetics...also, some of the Mexicans in New York are actually from indigenous villages and speak indigenous languages
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South Mexico, is very Native American, same could be said for Yucatan. Central Mexico Valley is racially different. Most folks here are Mestizo. North Mexico along the US Mexico border, Mexicans here mostly Hispano/Anglo heritage with some Native American.
I know, except Yucatan is actually mestizo majority if I'm not mistaken, but there are a lot of indigenous people there as well. Yucatan is also the safest part of Mexico, with a lower murder rate than that of the US as a whole.
It seems like most of the Mexicans in New York now are from Puebla, Guerrero, or Mexico City, but I wonder if we'll see more immigrants from other parts of Mexico in the future.
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Depends on the demographic and where you live within the boroughs and how influenced you are by the Jewish media.. typically, working class people are more swayed by media.. if you live in Queens or Brooklyn around "white" or "hispanic" working and middle class catholics, you won't see many relationships with Asian men.. but there are alot of asian man, white female relationships in the upper middle class demographic.. in my company alone, 4 of the asian MD's are married to white women and have mixed children and i see dating all the time. Religion also plays alot into it... my local protestant church has alot of AMWF, and AFWM marriages, many who are southern protestant transplants in nyc and aren't swayed by media subversion.. again, demographics.
Really dude? Jewish media? That's some paranoid stormfront nonsense, people date who they want and it doesn't have anything to do with "liberal media brainwashing" or whatever. The difference is that now it's more socially acceptable to date interracially.
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Americans dress poorly in general—especially when compared with France, Italy and Japan. I agree that, as a whole, wealthy New Yorkers dress better than anywhere else in the country. They’re also generally thinner, which helps a lot.
Continental Europeans try to mask social distinctions with clothes whereas Americans (and the British to a lesser extent) tend to accentuate them.
I've been to a few countries in Europe and I honestly don't think they dress that much differently from here, not counting the redneck or ghetto type
Wealthy Americans with new money don't necessarily show it with clothing, they show it with mansions and mercedes benz.
Um, no? They absolutely show it with clothing. It may not be as flashy as it used to be in recent times as the trends became more conservative post-2008. You don't see as many ostentatious logos and if you do, they tend to be more discreet. But the status symbols are very much alive and well amongst new money. I see it every day in my salon when women bring in 3K+ bags. We cover them in plastic due to past experiences. One client had color drop on her Celine Luggage Tote. She claimed it was worth over $4,000. The owner didn't want to believe it. She actually furnished the original receipt and had it authenticated when we did the reimbursement. It was very plain and you would not have guessed it to be that expensive. That's how it is now- these items are easily identifiable to the nouveau rich but not to the middle and lower classes as easily.
Um, no? They absolutely show it with clothing. It may not be as flashy as it used to be in recent times as the trends became more conservative post-2008. You don't see as many ostentatious logos and if you do, they tend to be more discreet. But the status symbols are very much alive and well amongst new money. I see it every day in my salon when women bring in 3K+ bags. We cover them in plastic due to past experiences. One client had color drop on her Celine Luggage Tote. She claimed it was worth over $4,000. The owner didn't want to believe it. She actually furnished the original receipt and had it authenticated when we did the reimbursement. It was very plain and you would not have guessed it to be that expensive. That's how it is now- these items are easily identifiable to the nouveau rich but not to the middle and lower classes as easily.
The behavior example you provided isn't really of rich people. It more of someone trying to keep up with the joneses. $4K bag isn't anything special in NYC. Many of them are good investment considering a chanel bag will last you 10-20 years with proper maintenance. From my dating experience, women tend to save up money on clothes as it is very cheap and seasonal, while they invest their money on bags and shoes that can last many years.
A chanel lambskin flap bag from 1955 is still fashionable and relevant today. A hermes birkin bag worth $25K is more of status of an item only a rich person can afford (instead of someone who saved six months of salary).
I have lived in New York city for three years and wanted to share my observations as a woman from Europe.
1. You can tell what social class people belong to based how they dress. Lower classes to middle class dress slobby to mediocre. While the upper classes generally dress very sharp. This is different from my country where people regardless of their social class take pride in their appearance. The exception seems to be trendy areas with a lot of young people or tourist like Manhattan or Brooklyn.
2. People here are very blunt and straight to the point. This made me happy because I cannot stand passive aggressive behavior, however sometimes a lot people use the excuse of being blunt to just be plain rude which I didn't appreciate. Despite the stereotypes I found New Yorkers to be very friendly and helpful generally but lack the patiences to deal with people who are a bit slow to grasp things.
3. People here are also very loud. Where I come from it's distasteful to want to bring attention to yourself, here people love to be the center of attention and drag everyone else into their drama. I have seen couples loudly argue on the subways, parents scream at their children in public and friends loudly having conversations about personal matters for everyone to hear.
4. There is a great diversity of races and people here. For the most part I never felt any racial tension and everyone seemed to get along. The only thing I notice, is while people for the most part are friendly, most people stick with their own race. I didn't recall seeing that many interracial relationships during my three years in New York.
5. The men here are too aggressive in their approach with women. I honestly thought the whole catcalling issue was exaggerated -boy was I wrong. I never in my life had to deal with so many creepy men making gross comments about my body, following me on my way home and trying to hit on me at inappropriate times. I don't know if men in New York are just clueless or always horny but it got ridiculous. I have counted several incidents of men masterbuating in front of me on the subway as a joke. Anytime I met a normal men who approached me with class they were almost always-gay, European, or a recent transplant from another state. Before you blame the way I dress for all this unwanted attention, let me tell you that I never showed off my body or wore tight/revealing clothes and I still got a lot of attention.
6. On another note, I found the women here to be a bit b*tchy and hard to make friend with. They seem to have chips on their shoulders or they are too stuck up to notice anyone around them. After seeing how the men here behave towards women, I can see why sooo many New York city women have this don't f*ck with me facial expression. That being said the New York city lady friends I did make are some of greatest women I have ever meet.
8. People here LOVE to swear. Everybody swears, from elderly ladies, to doctors, teachers, and thugs. I can't tell how shock I was at how casually people in my professional office setting used foul language to communicate with each others. IMO I am not stickler about cussing but sometimes excessive use of foul words can make you sound low class.
9. People here like to complain and dwell on the negative aspects of life too much. Sometimes I had to tell some of my New York friends to sit back and try to enjoy/appreciate the opportunity to live in one of the best imo cities and the world!
Finally I would like to say that people in New York are great to be around. I loved living in a city that actually felt like a big city. I enjoyed hustling aspect and being able to see/meet many different people everyday. This city has made me more mentally tough and I look forward to coming back in future but at last I must go back to Europe soon to take care of my family.
And your motherland is called Russia, even though you managed not to mention it. Am I right?
I don't know about dress. I've seen plenty of poor/working class folks dressed to impress (where I come from, that's typically a good sign that you don't have money ).
The behavior example you provided isn't really of rich people. It more of someone trying to keep up with the joneses. $4K bag isn't anything special in NYC. Many of them are good investment considering a chanel bag will last you 10-20 years with proper maintenance. From my dating experience, women tend to save up money on clothes as it is very cheap and seasonal, while they invest their money on bags and shoes that can last many years.
A chanel lambskin flap bag from 1955 is still fashionable and relevant today. A hermes birkin bag worth $25K is more of status of an item only a rich person can afford (instead of someone who saved six months of salary).
I can agree with this. I spend very little on clothes (mostly H & M, Zara, etc.) compared to my accessories. I have many designer bags but could never imagine owning a Birkin. I'd be too scared to carry something worth that much on the street to begin with.
I don't know about dress. I've seen plenty of poor/working class folks dressed to impress (where I come from, that's typically a good sign that you don't have money ).
Are you talking about that ghetto fabulous style of fashion? I think most of it is pretty tacky, to be honest
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