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Because the entrance exam and qualifications weren't sufficiently dumbed down so any idiot could pass (like NYPD). But now that has happened you'll get a flood of persons who otherwise couldn't or wouldn't qualify previously. This will include persons like that female recruit that the department has bent so far backwards it can kiss it's own behind to get her in.
Lol nobody is "crying". Simply trying to illustrate to some office worker who sits in air conditioning all summer what the job actually is. If you were to start a thread lamenting about commercial airline pilot or fisherman salaries, and an individual in that profession came upon said thread, they would do the same. And for what it's worth, those guys do very well. Much better than city ff's or cops. And they deserve it.
What do you do?
Edit: you also didn't care to acknowledge my counter to your silly "nepotism" argument.
More misrepresentations.
On average, airline pilots and fisherman don't make more. Some airline pilots (mostly senior captains) and some very few fisherman do but many more make less than the average FDNY member. Even more so when you take into account the health bennies and pensions.
Like I said, you guys cry and bull****. It's what you're good at. The actual job? Like someone else put it so succinctly, modern day FDNY is nothin more than glorified EMT workers.
42,043 fires (including non structural) out of 519,798 incidents. I'm not that great with math but that's only 8.09% of incidents actually relate to a fire. If you take structural fires only, that number drops to 5.1%.
There are approx. 218 firehouses with 10,925 personnel in NYC. So that's an average of 121.7 structural fires per year per firehouse. That's 1 structural fire every 3 days. Taking all fires into account, that's 1 fire every 1.9 days.
Who needs facts? Let's just misrepresent and milk the 9/11 narrative for all it's worth.
Bloomberg knew your guys shtick, that's why he fought to start closing down firehouses.
I'm sure if we dive deeper into the data, we'd find out some more interesting facts. Most structural fires are probably concentrated in certain areas. Things of that nature.
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42,043 fires (including non structural) out of 519,798 incidents. I'm not that great with math but that's only 8.09% of incidents actually relate to a fire. If you take structural fires only, that number drops to 5.1%.
There are approx. 218 firehouses with 10,925 personnel in NYC. So that's an average of 121.7 structural fires per year per firehouse. That's 1 structural fire every 3 days. Taking all fires into account, that's 1 fire every 1.9 days.
Who needs facts? Let's just misrepresent and milk the 9/11 narrative for all it's worth.
Bloomberg knew your guys shtick, that's why he fought to start closing down firehouses.
Are you jealous about how much they make? Sometimes educated people are outraged when they see blue collar workers who make more than them.
NYC civil service jobs like MTA, NYPD, NYFD, Parks Department, among others have excellent benefits including pensions, time off, etc. A lot of private sector people with no benefits are jealous, and seek to justify this jealous by coming up with all sorts of ways civil service employees don't deserve their money.
Civil service employees also make up a huge chunk of the city's middle class if you count teachers and others working in k-12 education and CUNY. Without them the city would be basically just few rich and legions of poor people working poorly paid service sector jobs.
Are you jealous about how much they make? Sometimes educated people are outraged when they see blue collar workers who make more than them.
NYC civil service jobs like MTA, NYPD, NYFD, Parks Department, among others have excellent benefits including pensions, time off, etc. A lot of private sector people with no benefits are jealous, and seek to justify this jealous by coming up with all sorts of ways civil service employees don't deserve their money.
Was Bloomberg jealous of how much FDNY firefighters made since he wanted to cut firehouses?
My fiancée is going to be a city teacher. I have family working for the Feds. I grew up in NYC, so I have friends who work for city agencies. In fact, I was offered a job in the city's finance dept.
We're talking facts here. As I stated before, in terms of $, the NYPD and DSNY for example, earn it much more than firefighters. In fact, DSNY is often overlooked even though their jobs are much more dangerous (both short and long term) than any other city agency.
If we take your line of reasoning then we can't ever enact any reforms and improve the administration of city funds because we couldn't ever take a critical look at any city agency.
I would argue that it doesn't actually matter where the criticism is coming from. What's important is whether the argument is based on facts and has validity to it.
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Civil service employees also make up a huge chunk of the city's middle class if you count teachers and others working in k-12 education and CUNY. Without them the city would be basically just few rich and legions of poor people working poorly paid service sector jobs.
They are a substantial minority percentage but I wouldn't say a huge chunk. Many city employees do not even make a solid middle class living if we take that as say $75k, especially lower level administrative positions. However, even at $45k, they're pretty useless.
There are plenty more private sector positions in NYC which pay solid middle class wages and if they're useless it's private money so who cares.
P.S. NYwriter, you make some of the worst, low brow arguments ever. No wonder you're a humanities major who probably wants to stay in academia or get some bull**** gov't job for the rest of your life.
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Airline pilots - I know them very well. I've worked very close with them over the lat 12 years.
They are highly trained and know their craft.
On daily routine flights, they do flight prep and other small items to prepare for flight. They then sit in the **** pit and enter in their flight plan into the computer and then hit a button to take off. 99% of the flight is flown by the on-board computer while the trained pilots sit there and monitor things while drinking coffee or play their latest ipad game. It's a pretty nice career and HIGHLY paid especially once you are a captain and get some years under you. (not talking the commuter pilots here as they are paid peanuts)
My point is, they are paid handsomely to take care of shyt when things are not normal and their training is needed (engine failure, gear failure, bad weather, etc...) On nice sunny days, they barely lift a finger. Yet no one complains about their high pay.
Same goes for Firefighters, while on most day they may not do much in your eyes, when we need them to save our lives you're dame tootin' that I want them there and very well paid and rested! They are highly trained for when shyt goes sideways.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I'm the only one willing to posit that maybe other races simply don't have as much drive to enter burning buildings should the need arise.
um no, because its a common fact police officers are in more danger than firefighters. how are other races are willing to put themselves in front of a bullet but not a fire? Sure.
um no, because its a common fact police officers are in more danger than firefighters. how are other races are willing to put themselves in front of a bullet but not a fire? Sure.
DSNY are in more danger than NYPD/FDNY. They just can't milk 9/11.
Airline pilots - I know them very well. I've worked very close with them over the lat 12 years.
They are highly trained and know their craft.
On daily routine flights, they do flight prep and other small items to prepare for flight. They then sit in the **** pit and enter in their flight plan into the computer and then hit a button to take off. 99% of the flight is flown by the on-board computer while the trained pilots sit there and monitor things while drinking coffee or play their latest ipad game. It's a pretty nice career and HIGHLY paid especially once you are a captain and get some years under you. (not talking the commuter pilots here as they are paid peanuts)
My point is, they are paid handsomely to take care of shyt when things are not normal and their training is needed (engine failure, gear failure, bad weather, etc...) On nice sunny days, they barely lift a finger. Yet no one complains about their high pay.
Same goes for Firefighters, while on most day they may not do much in your eyes, when we need them to save our lives you're dame tootin' that I want them there and very well paid and rested! They are highly trained for when shyt goes sideways.
airline pilots do way more than barely lift a finger. first off many dedicate decades to the career as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars before they get comfortable in their career. Thats why many captains are well into their 50s and stay around to reap the benefits from the years of struggling at regional airlines making a fraction of what they make after 20 years there. You have to clarify airline pilots in different levels, regional and mainline pilots have different procedures, pay and lifestyle. First officers at regionals make only 30-50k, to get to a mainline takes time. Plus dealing with being "on call". Most pilots fly multiple flights a day, deal with short layovers and long days. Still only being paid for Flight hours.
Airline pilots - I know them very well. I've worked very close with them over the lat 12 years.
They are highly trained and know their craft.
On daily routine flights, they do flight prep and other small items to prepare for flight. They then sit in the **** pit and enter in their flight plan into the computer and then hit a button to take off. 99% of the flight is flown by the on-board computer while the trained pilots sit there and monitor things while drinking coffee or play their latest ipad game. It's a pretty nice career and HIGHLY paid especially once you are a captain and get some years under you. (not talking the commuter pilots here as they are paid peanuts)
My point is, they are paid handsomely to take care of shyt when things are not normal and their training is needed (engine failure, gear failure, bad weather, etc...) On nice sunny days, they barely lift a finger. Yet no one complains about their high pay.
Same goes for Firefighters, while on most day they may not do much in your eyes, when we need them to save our lives you're dame tootin' that I want them there and very well paid and rested! They are highly trained for when shyt goes sideways.
Firstly, that's the private sector. They can do as they wish and in reality a substantial amount make middling pay.
Secondly, every time they go up in the air, they are in direct control of hundreds of lives. They are also in direct control of the most dangerous aspects of flying, takeoff and landing.
Firefighters are just a reactive force.
Thirdly, there has been downsizing of pilots per aircraft in the industry as automation has progressed. There would be further downsizing but current laws don't allow for it. It will happen eventually. Most airline accidents are due to pilot error now anyways.
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