How is the FDNY so incredibly white? (Not a rant. Just curious.) (New York: sales, crime)
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Was Bloomberg jealous of how much FDNY firefighters made since he wanted to cut firehouses?
My fiancée is going to be a city teacher. I have family working for the Feds. I grew up in NYC, so I have friends who work for city agencies. In fact, I was offered a job in the city's finance dept.
We're talking facts here. As I stated before, in terms of $, the NYPD and DSNY for example, earn it much more than firefighters. In fact, DSNY is often overlooked even though their jobs are much more dangerous (both short and long term) than any other city agency.
If we take your line of reasoning then we can't ever enact any reforms and improve the administration of city funds because we couldn't ever take a critical look at any city agency.
I would argue that it doesn't actually matter where the criticism is coming from. What's important is whether the argument is based on facts and has validity to it.
They are a substantial minority percentage but I wouldn't say a huge chunk. Many city employees do not even make a solid middle class living if we take that as say $75k, especially lower level administrative positions. However, even at $45k, they're pretty useless.
There are plenty more private sector positions in NYC which pay solid middle class wages and if they're useless it's private money so who cares.
P.S. NYwriter, you make some of the worst, low brow arguments ever. No wonder you're a humanities major who probably wants to stay in academia or get some bull**** gov't job for the rest of your life.
We are not talking facts. You are giving me your opinions that are based on ideology. You aren't stating on what grounds are you even qualified to make those claims that NYPD and NYFD are overpaid. You're throwing stats out there without context.
You can go to third world cities where police officers and fire departments are not paid much money. In these cases you get what you pay for. You pay very little money, you get very little public service.
Holy hell, wahh-wahh you might be the most bitter tw@t that has ever graced this board. The only one coming off as "crying" is yourself, my man. Do you not even realize that? Take a step back and try and have an objective look at your posts. It's kind of sad. I am beyond happy in my career. No there are not structural fires every single day in every single area of the city. And that is a good thing. Nobody wishes having someone lose their home or business on anyone. But there are plenty. It comes in waves. You can follow what 10-75s and beyond are transmitted daily via twitter if you're so inclined here. And when they happen, I feel deep satisfaction in doing my part to make it less miserable for those affected. With any call for that matter, which you truly have no understanding of. This is "crying" in your warped mind lol? No man, this is me being proud of my path. One that anybody can or could have gone down. Including yourself. But I have to assume that you are way too delicate to step out of the office environment on a long term basis. There's a lot of ball busting in these jobs, and you clearly are not of that caliber. So I guess I get it.
Because the exam is made up of questions that only whites know.
That was actually an argument that was made once where blacks were claiming they were being discriminated against because the exams / tests were unfairly disqualifying them as they couldn't pass them. They claimed that only whites knew the answers and the tests were specially slanted to benefit whites.
Holy hell, wahh-wahh you might be the most bitter tw@t that has ever graced this board. The only one coming off as "crying" is yourself, my man. Do you not even realize that? Take a step back and try and have an objective look at your posts. It's kind of sad. I am beyond happy in my career. No there are not structural fires every single day in every single area of the city. And that is a good thing. Nobody wishes having someone lose their home or business on anyone. But there are plenty. It comes in waves. You can follow what 10-75s and beyond are transmitted daily via twitter if you're so inclined here. And when they happen, I feel deep satisfaction in doing my part to make it less miserable for those affected. With any call for that matter, which you truly have no understanding of. This is "crying" in your warped mind lol? No man, this is me being proud of my path. One that anybody can or could have gone down. Including yourself. But I have to assume that you are way too delicate to step out of the office environment on a long term basis. There's a lot of ball busting in these jobs, and you clearly are not of that caliber. So I guess I get it.
I'm still waiting to hear about this nepotism...
Go through his posting history, he's a paper pushing desk jockey who got turned down by NYPD.
We are not talking facts. You are giving me your opinions that are based on ideology. You aren't stating on what grounds are you even qualified to make those claims that NYPD and NYFD are overpaid. You're throwing stats out there without context.
You can go to third world cities where police officers and fire departments are not paid much money. In these cases you get what you pay for. You pay very little money, you get very little public service.
42,043 fires (including non structural) out of 519,798 incidents. I'm not that great with math but that's only 8.09% of incidents actually relate to a fire. If you take structural fires only, that number drops to 5.1%.
There are approx. 218 firehouses with 10,925 personnel in NYC. So that's an average of 121.7 structural fires per year per firehouse. That's 1 structural fire every 3 days. Taking all fires into account, that's 1 fire every 1.9 days.
Who needs facts? Let's just misrepresent and milk the 9/11 narrative for all it's worth.
Bloomberg knew your guys shtick, that's why he fought to start closing down firehouses.
I'm sure if we dive deeper into the data, we'd find out some more interesting facts. Most structural fires are probably concentrated in certain areas. Things of that nature.
Go through his posting history, he's a paper pushing desk jockey who got turned down by NYPD.
Not turned down. I got called up but I applied in 2008 or '09 when the economy was ****. It was an insurance policy.
They called me up in 2013 I believe. I've been employed in a career I actually like and want to pursue further so I turned it down. What turned me off the most was actually seeing who my future colleagues would be at the physical, psych, etc. days. They weren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.
True story. During the psych test, the psychologist asked me, "So you graduated with a 3.7 from a good school and with an economics degree, why do you want to be a PO?" I asked him if they wanted morons to be PO's. lol
I thought I'd be dead to rights but he passed me.
The PO procedure did give me an insight into the system and to those who applied with me. The hardest part about becoming a PO is all the paperwork and bureaucracy. Nothing special about it. In fact, I admitted to smoking some marijuana in college (in my candidate file) and the PO assigned to my file asked me why I admitted to that. lol
So I'm actually not talking out of my ass when I post unlike some others.
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Toughest job in this city, day in and day out is sanitation by far. More injuries and deaths then PD and FD. 9/11 changed those numbers but other then that horrific day, we are most in peril on a daily basis. The city gets its money's worth out of us, that I can assure you.
Still, I will defend my PD and FD brothers. As someone stated, they are the insurance policy that you never want to use but when sh*t hits the fan they are there. They are worth every penny.
Toughest job in this city, day in and day out is sanitation by far. More injuries and deaths then PD and FD. 9/11 changed those numbers but other then that horrific day, we are most in peril on a daily basis. The city gets its money's worth out of us, that I can assure you.
Still, I will defend my PD and FD brothers. As someone stated, they are the insurance policy that you never want to use but when sh*t hits the fan they are there. They are worth every penny.
I understand from a practical viewpoint that you guys have to defend them.
If they get started on reforming the NYPD and FDNY, they might target DSNY next. lol
I will also say that since I wrote about the history of NYC sanitation for my senior thesis in college, the DSNY saves more lives than the FDNY and NYPD combined.
Most of the deaths in early NYC were due to poor sanitation. Without proper sanitation and garbage removal, there'd be NY'ers dying left and right from communicable diseases. That's guaranteed.
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Go through his posting history, he's a paper pushing desk jockey who got turned down by NYPD.
Forgot to add.
Half the NYPD force aren't desk jockeys?
C'mon, claim they aren't.
I didn't take the job because I knew I had to put in at least 20 years and it wasn't for me. I wasn't like the thousands of NYPD PO's who hate the job but take it because it's either being a cop or flipping burgers for them.
There is plenty of hispanics. I see them all the time. I however never saw a black fireman or an asian one, or a moslem one, or native american.
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