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Structural fires have declined over the past few decades due to more fireproof construction and less crime. Fires still happen everyday. Follow the twitter I linked. I am not certain of your point.
What do you do for a living?
So you agree with me? We don't need as many firefighters?
Fires happening everyday doesn't tell us anything. Crimes occur everyday but no one can argue there aren't less crimes than in the 80's.
It's evident that the number of fires has decreased dramatically in the past few decades yet there are more firefighters than ever. Does that make any sense?
At least the NYPD can claim that more PO's results in less crime (although that's not a clear cut argument)but no one can claim that more FDNY results in less fires. The decrease in fires, as you stated, is a result of improved building codes, improved construction materials, and less arson.
So you agree with me? We don't need as many firefighters?
Fires happening everyday doesn't tell us anything. Crimes occur everyday but no one can argue there are less crimes than in the 80's.
It's evident that the number of fires has decreased dramatically in the past few decades yet there are more firefighters than ever. Does that make any sense?
At least the NYPD can claim that more PO's results in less crime (although that's not a clear cut argument)but no one can claim that more FDNY results in less fires. The decrease in fires, as you stated, is a result of better construction and less arson.
Recorded structural fires as per your stats only get recorded when it gets to a certain strength or level. Many incidents do not get the signal for a working fire because companies get there quick enough to take care of it before anything spreads large enough to get the signal. Which in turn means that, yes, the more guys at any given call or more companies in any given area, the quicker things can be stopped in their tracks.
Originally Posted by availableusername;4350302[IMG
http://i.imgur.com/LHyOci9[/IMG]5]Recorded structural fires as per your stats only get recorded when it gets to a certain strength or level. Many incidents do not get the signal for a working fire because companies get there quick enough to take care of it before anything spreads large enough to get the signal. Which in turn means that, yes, the more guys at any given call or more companies in any given area, the quicker things can be stopped in their tracks.
What do you do for a living?
My friend, non-structural fires also get recorded or are you claiming that there are fires that never get recorded? Is the FDNY underreporting fires?
If you think that's the case you should let the FDNY know asap. Maybe the FDNY is putting out incorrect statistics that make themselves look bad?
Or are you just throwing out bull**** in order to avoid the obvious?
My friend, non-structural fires also get recorded or are you claiming that there are fires that never get recorded? Is the FDNY underreporting fires?
If you think that's the case you should let the FDNY know asap. Maybe the FDNY is putting out incorrect statistics that make themselves look bad?
Or are you just throwing out bull**** in order to avoid the obvious?
Non-structural fires mean car fires, brush fires, rubbish fires, etc.
I am saying that there are calls all of the time that could lead into a structural fire if nobody were to show up quickly. These do not get the 10-75 signal, thus do not go into the stats. Like I keep saying, you're out of your element.
Non-structural fires mean car fires, brush fires, rubbish fires, etc.
I am saying that there are calls all of the time that could lead into a structural fire if nobody were to show up quickly. These do not get the 10-75 signal, thus do not go into the stats. Like I keep saying, you're out of your element.
What do you do for a living?
I find it hard to believe that fires do no get recorded. Whether big or small.
So let's say a grease fire starts in a kitchen and gets quickly extinguished by the FDNY. It's as if it never happened? Poof, gone? Wouldn't that leave the city liable if there was no record of such incidents?
I find it hard to believe. The FDNY is underreporting fires because it make them look better?
I just might think you're bull****ting. lol
Non-structural fires mean car fires, brush fires, rubbish fires, etc.
I am saying that there are calls all of the time that could lead into a structural fire if nobody were to show up quickly. These do not get the 10-75 signal, thus do not go into the stats. Like I keep saying, you're out of your element.
What do you do for a living?
Right, a small fire doesn't necessitate the 10-75 response, which involves the deployment of a number of engines and ladder companies (I forget the exact number). There are many more actual fires than working fires, so it's important to know what definitions we're using here.
In my case, as somebody always on the look-out for under-reported good news stories, it also served to alert me to just how dramatic the fall in “demand” for firefighters has been. Intrigued by the strike, I looked up the numbers and found to my amazement that in 2011, compared with just a decade before, firefighters attended 48 per cent fewer fires overall; 39 per cent fewer building fires; 44 per cent fewer minor outdoor fires; 24 per cent fewer road-traffic collisions; 8 per cent fewer floods — and 40 per cent fewer incidents overall. The decline has if anything accelerated since 2011.
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But this is not the whole story. I was stunned to find that the number of deliberate fires has been falling much faster than the number of accidental fires. The steepest fall has been in car fires, down from 77,000 in 2001-2 to 17,000 in 2010-11. This echoes the 60 per cent collapse in car thefts in G7 countries since 1995. Deliberate fires in buildings have more than halved in number; I assume this is also something to do with crime detection — CCTV, DNA testing and so forth, which make it much less easy to get away with arson. Only deliberate outdoor fires show little trend: perhaps because not until he is deep in the woods does an arsonist feel safe from detection
Lol nobody is "crying". Simply trying to illustrate to some office worker who sits in air conditioning all summer what the job actually is. If you were to start a thread lamenting about commercial airline pilot or fisherman salaries, and an individual in that profession came upon said thread, they would do the same. And for what it's worth, those guys do very well. Much better than city ff's or cops. And they deserve it.
What do you do?
Edit: you also didn't care to acknowledge my counter to your silly "nepotism" argument.
[quote=availableusername;43499686]Dude, the residents of those neighborhoods came out in force in protest any time your little whiny troll of a mayor tried to close houses when he was in. It seemed clear that people had no problem using their tax dollars to keep their local companies intact.
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[quote=availableusername;43502410]Follow the twitter link I posted earlier, and you will see that there are fires everyday. Like I said, it comes in waves as per your area. Sometimes there are no structural fires for a few weeks. Sometimes there 5 in a week. I could not care less about what official city stats look like to you. You're just some uptight office drone who admittedly doesn't even f*ck his fiancé correctly. What could you possibly know about getting your hands dirty, in any capacity of life?
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[quote=availableusername;43502580]No, you idiot. There are plenty of situations that are not fire-related nor medical. Someone pinned in their car and needing to be cut out is not considered medical for the company that does the cutting, just as one example. There are an incredible amount of vehicles in this city, and this happens a lot. Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about and come off like quite the bitter cvnt. You don't even understand the basic dynamics of the different types of companies within the dept (any dept).
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[quote=availableusername;43502748]I was directly addressing your question about what are non-medical emergencies. Are you actually that dense? Lol you got a masters you said? I guess they push anybody through these days.
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[quote=availableusername;43502867]Structural fires have declined over the past few decades due to more fireproof construction and less crime. Fires still happen everyday. Follow the twitter I linked. I am not certain of your point.
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I can hear those crickets all the way into North Carolina.
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