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Old 05-14-2016, 10:33 PM
 
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True, but that high rate of poverty comes from two main sources: having too many children and not doing enough work.


The ultra Orthodox community still places a value on men spending as much time as possible studying the Torah IIRC. Well in order to do that you can't work much can you? That and or you tend to gravitate to things that bring in passive income so you don't have to break a sweat. Their women are not allowed/expected to work after the birth of their (second IIRC) child. Indeed who can work when you've got four, five, or more kids at home.


Next is the rather appalling education their children and young persons receive at Yeshiva.


Kyras Joel in Orange County has the highest poverty rate in the United States; that is the distinction of the most households receiving various federal welfare and other benefits. Why? Again all those children that they cannot support.


From this they Orthodox have learned quickly and efficiently how to milk every single tax dollar they can get to flow to their neighborhoods. Kyras Joel got a state of the art maternity/child healthcare system paid for totally by federal government. This goes on because the community votes in blocks for whomever the Rebbe tells them to; thus politicians from both parties kiss behinds...
I hear you BugsyPal; agree with your post.
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Old 05-14-2016, 10:33 PM
 
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The population would plummet to the point of human extinction


wtf? what you rumbling about? how? getting a degree only takes 4 years. and you will have a better job and security having a degree salary.
instead of having a baby at 15-18, you can have a baby 22+
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Old 05-14-2016, 10:43 PM
 
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I hear you BugsyPal; agree with your post.

Kicker is many of these Hasidic Jews are not poor, not by a long shot. Am not saying everyone of them has a stash, but......
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Old 05-14-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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Kicker is many of these Hasidic Jews are not poor, not by a long shot. Am not saying everyone of them has a stash, but......
Not all Hasidim are poor, but some/many are.

Borough Park, an ultra-Orthodox and Hasidic neighborhood in Brooklyn, has one of the highest poverty rates in the city.
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Old 05-14-2016, 10:55 PM
 
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True, but that high rate of poverty comes from two main sources: having too many children and not doing enough work.

Um, right, but isn't that why most groups of people (not just orthodox Jews) become poor? By having too many kids, that they can't support, because they don't work enough (or at all)?

That is certainly not a specifically Jewish phenomenon. Not by a long shot.
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Old 05-14-2016, 11:26 PM
 
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Um, right, but isn't that why most groups of people (not just orthodox Jews) become poor? By having too many kids, that they can't support, because they don't work enough (or at all)?

That is certainly not a specifically Jewish phenomenon. Not by a long shot.
Yes, but the key is doing something about it; that is not having all those children..... Maybe you should send that memo out again because obviously many Orthodox missed have missed it the first time.
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Old 05-14-2016, 11:31 PM
 
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because they don't work enough (or at all)?
They can find work but low wage.
Education is needed like college etc
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Old 05-15-2016, 02:48 AM
 
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How do you know they are "abusing" it?
Maybe they are simply poor and eligible for benefits?
(The hasidic/ultra-Orthodox Jewish and Russian Jewish community have a relatively high rate of poverty.)
"Abuse" doesn't mean "illegal." It means planning for future welfare payments. It means being a parasite.

Responsible people have only as many kids as they can afford on their own dime.

Parasites know in advance that they can't afford kids, but have kids anyway, because they'll be "eligible" for other people's tax money.

Welfare should be a safety net for unexpected life crises. It shouldn't be part of your financial planning.

Parasites know how to work the system. They know how to vote themselves more money from fellow taxpayers. They know how to engage in "legal" theft.

Much of what goes on in Wall Street, like the Goldman Sachs bailouts, are a form of legalized theft. So is siphoning off more than your fair share of tax dollars from your fellow citizens, as part of your longterm financial planning.
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Old 05-15-2016, 04:53 AM
 
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People really think poor people while having unprotected sex are actually long term planning about getting food stamps and public housing. This section is full of morons
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Old 05-15-2016, 05:48 AM
 
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People really think poor people while having unprotected sex are actually long term planning about getting food stamps and public housing. This section is full of morons
You're calling people here morons? LOL. Your post is completely unintelligible.
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