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Old 07-19-2016, 05:21 PM
 
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Guys camping out in tents on the street for weeks ahead of time just to get a shot.


Hundreds Sleeping On Queens’ Street For Shot At Plumbers Union Program « CBS New York




Why this plumbing program is a hot ticket - CBS News
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I missed the boat going to college.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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NYC is very over saturated. So over saturated that immigrants skip the city entirely. With a city of 8 million people, getting jobs is not easy unless one is highly skilled or have attended a top college. I wish those guys luck on getting the job.
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Old 07-28-2016, 03:01 PM
 
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Yeah wish them all good luck. Lots of disappointed faces will be walking away with no application. Did they already distribute the applications?
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Old 07-30-2016, 02:36 AM
 
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Yeah wish them all good luck. Lots of disappointed faces will be walking away with no application. Did they already distribute the applications?
Err, yeah!


Over 1,500 hopeful plumbers have camped out on LIC street in order to get into a competitive apprenticeship - QNS.com


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-New-York.html
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Old 07-31-2016, 12:05 AM
 
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I missed the boat going to college.
LOL me too, but why you need to go through Union for this training? Or is it only the Union that can guarantee the pay rates? But there are plenty of non-union tradesmen out there they can compete for contracts with the union. I am pretty sure the non-union tradesmen can train you.
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Old 07-31-2016, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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LOL me too, but why you need to go through Union for this training? Or is it only the Union that can guarantee the pay rates? But there are plenty of non-union tradesmen out there they can compete for contracts with the union. I am pretty sure the non-union tradesmen can train you.
ThIs training is the first step in joining the unions. You're unlikely to get the same rates as a non-union tradesman. There are many projects out there that are closed shop, meaning only union contractors can bid on them. Howe very, open shop has been gaining steam in NYC over the past few years.
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Old 07-31-2016, 06:02 AM
 
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ThIs training is the first step in joining the unions. You're unlikely to get the same rates as a non-union tradesman. There are many projects out there that are closed shop, meaning only union contractors can bid on them. Howe very, open shop has been gaining steam in NYC over the past few years.
That last bit is because greedy developers want to break the union so they can make more on their crappy projects.


Plenty of new construction today is garbage because it is built largely by or in whole non-union (with a healthy helping of illegals), especially residential. It also explains why you are seeing all these construction accidents.... At least once a week if not more often some poor soul is killed or injured on a job site. Then it comes out the work was being done illegally and or by untrained or poorly day laborers picked up off the street. It doesn't help that with so much construction (again especially residential) going on everyone and their mother is suddenly a "contractor". Those *accidents* are only the ones that make it into the news. Plenty of times "Juan" is dropped off at the nearest ER and told to keep his mouth shut about details. Sometimes he's given a little something extra for his problems, and usually believe it or not ends up going back to work for the same guy when/if he can.


The whole 421a thing is largely about wealthy real estate interests not wanting to pay union wages, more so when "affordable housing" is involved.




As for licensed plumbers am not saying they all are saints; but he a guy has to put meat on the table.... *LOL*



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slibJ52yoc
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Old 07-31-2016, 06:52 AM
 
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That last bit is because greedy developers want to break the union so they can make more on their crappy projects.


Plenty of new construction today is garbage because it is built largely by or in whole non-union (with a healthy helping of illegals), especially residential. It also explains why you are seeing all these construction accidents.... At least once a week if not more often some poor soul is killed or injured on a job site. Then it comes out the work was being done illegally and or by untrained or poorly day laborers picked up off the street. It doesn't help that with so much construction (again especially residential) going on everyone and their mother is suddenly a "contractor". Those *accidents* are only the ones that make it into the news. Plenty of times "Juan" is dropped off at the nearest ER and told to keep his mouth shut about details. Sometimes he's given a little something extra for his problems, and usually believe it or not ends up going back to work for the same guy when/if he can.


The whole 421a thing is largely about wealthy real estate interests not wanting to pay union wages, more so when "affordable housing" is involved.




As for licensed plumbers am not saying they all are saints; but he a guy has to put meat on the table.... *LOL*



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slibJ52yoc
Not totally true.

My father was a union tin knocker so I'm about as pro union as they get but union v non-union is all about wages and benefits. Especially in NYC where the disparity between union and non union wages and benefits (especially the pension) is substantial.


The quality of the work has little to do with it.
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Old 07-31-2016, 09:28 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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If I hadn't gone to college, I would be all over being an electrician. I'd do the whole union thing, get my skills up, then move down south and start my own shop.
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