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View Poll Results: Is he guilty?
No 47 48.45%
Yes 50 51.55%
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:53 PM
 
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Not at all. They were on a legitimate search for a woman who indeed turned up dead. The question is why they were dispatched to look for an adult woman who was away from home for a few hours. Next time an adult family member of yours doesn't come home on time call 911 and say he or she is missing for an hour, can you send up a helicopter and see what kind of response you get.

My hypothesis is the father or daughter was threatened by someone and when she didn't come back on time or answer her phone he went to his NYPD neighbor/buddy and told him what was going on and thus got that kind of police response.

that's what I think
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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Not at all. They were on a legitimate search for a woman who indeed turned up dead. The question is why they were dispatched to look for an adult woman who was away from home for a few hours. Next time an adult family member of yours doesn't come home on time call 911 and say he or she is missing for an hour, can you send up a helicopter and see what kind of response you get.

My hypothesis is the father or daughter was threatened by someone and when she didn't come back on time or answer her phone he went to his NYPD neighbor/buddy and told him what was going on and thus got that kind of police response.


Yes he must have some kind of hook with the NYPD. But in regards to the time frame, he ran that route with his daughter,he knew the potential for danger there, and when his daughter was even a little late coming back he knew something was very wrong.
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:43 PM
 
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No. If there’s doubt, then he shouldn’t be convicted. The jury has evidence that we’re not privy to.
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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No. If there’s doubt, then he shouldn’t be convicted. The jury has evidence that we’re not privy to.
Yeah, if there's reasonable doubt that he's innocent then he should be considered not guilty. But how did his DNA get on her if he didn't do it?
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:13 PM
 
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Yeah, if there's reasonable doubt that he's innocent then he should be considered not guilty. But how did his DNA get on her if he didn't do it?

isn't the suspect austic? May be he found the body? May be it was sloppy police work
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:39 PM
 
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isn't the suspect austic? May be he found the body? May be it was sloppy police work
I believe he is developmentally disabled but I don't think that makes him automatically innocent. The only way he's innocent is if the police planted his DNA on her somehow.
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Old 11-23-2018, 01:46 AM
 
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Yeah, if there's reasonable doubt that he's innocent then he should be considered not guilty. But how did his DNA get on her if he didn't do it?
This story says the DNA from under her fingernails was matched by a method that is not conclusive. His DNA was found on her back and cell phone. Maybe he did kill her or maybe he was there and touched her and the phone after she was killed. Someone else's DNA was also found at the scene.

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Investigators found a DNA match for Lewis on two places at the crime scene—Vetrano’s cellphone and on her back, according to the documents, which were reviewed by The Daily Beast.

Those results also note that material found underneath Vetrano’s fingernails was part of a complex mixture of several people’s DNA, and that Lewis’ DNA could not be excluded from that mixture. Despite comments made by NYPD officials in the press conference following Lewis’ arrest, this was not a match at all. The proprietary method the medical examiner uses to determine these types of matches where mixtures of DNA are present, called the Forensic Statistical Tool or FST, does not affirmatively say Lewis’ DNA is present underneath Vetrano’s fingernails.

The second DNA match was found at the crime scene on an Arizona fruit punch bottle, according to the documents. Like Lewis’ DNA allegedly found on Vetrano’s back and cellphone, this wasn’t a mixture. The identity of this second match has been redacted.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/he-con...t-did-he-do-it

The article also says the police took his confession after holding him for hours and before being told his Miranda Rights to have a lawyer present. Also the version of how the police identified him as a suspect changed slightly in court from the previous version given by the police.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:55 AM
 
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Where on earth did you get that presumption? You think he doesn't remember anyone else at all. This kid stood out is unusual among the others.


The kid is as guilty as sin and his DNA was all over her neck.


All this conspiracy theory crap is like a virus that spreads in susceptible people's brains. From vaccine hysteria, to big pharma has the cure for cancer, to mass shootings are set ups, to Mossad organized 9/11. You dupes who think you're the ones who are smarter, you've got a six sense - its cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.


Infowars, just on the other side of the political spectrum. You are presuming this guy, solely because he's black, is the morally privileged one and the cops/white Italians are, in the new PC, morally suspect. He's black - so he must of been set up right? That's the new mantra. Its as bogus as the previous mantra that someone's guilty just by virtue of being black.


He's as innocent as OJ.


I find many of the posters on this subject blinded by prejudice:
It boggles the mind how some claim it was a mob hit because it Happened in Howard Beach.
It boggles the mind how some claim Dad committed this heinous crime a block from the house.
It boggles the mind how some claim she deserved it saying " I'd tap that,gimme some tail...etc..."
How would you feel if some one said that about your dead child?

It boggles the mind how the evidence is smack in your face.
The court system works well when emotion and race are set aside so as not to conflict ones decision making.
It's all in the hands of the courts.
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Old 11-23-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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A few weeks after her murder I read there was a community meeting with a local police official who reassured them that the community was safe. Maybe he meant there were extra patrols but if there was a crazed rapist/killer on the loose how could he say the area was safe? That would only be the case if it wasn't a random killing but a targeted one.
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Old 11-23-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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This story says the DNA from under her fingernails was matched by a method that is not conclusive. His DNA was found on her back and cell phone. Maybe he did kill her or maybe he was there and touched her and the phone after she was killed. Someone else's DNA was also found at the scene.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/he-con...t-did-he-do-it

The article also says the police took his confession after holding him for hours and before being told his Miranda Rights to have a lawyer present. Also the version of how the police identified him as a suspect changed slightly in court from the previous version given by the police.
Yeah they really botched this one up.
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