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NYC subway system is comparable to the subway in the cities of developing countries like Mexico City in Mexico, Sao Paulo and Rio in Brazil. This is what my cousin told me. Europe, Asia, thier subways are light years ahead of NYC and the rest of the northeast. America won't be able to catch up.
Asia falls under "developing countries" as well, except for Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan.
But like nywriterdude said, your basis for that claim being what your cousin telling you is not enough.
Also, the Northeast is pretty much the only part of the US that has decent subway systems, everywhere else except for the San Francisco Bay Area is very car dependent (and they still don't use public transit at the rate of New Yorkers).
Out of the 2 European subway systems I've seen, I wouldn't trade them for NYC's.
What Europe and Japan kill the US on is regional rail, not so much the subway.
To be complete honest they just did an expansion of the metro system in Rio.
"Third World" is a meaningless term these days with somewhat RACIST implications, and keep in mind there are many new and modern systems in China, India, and other countries around the world.
To be complete honest they just did an expansion of the metro system in Rio.
"Third World" is a meaningless term these days with somewhat RACIST implications, and keep in mind there are many new and modern systems in China, India, and other countries around the world.
Third world is meaningless and often used condescendingly. Developing countries vary widely and cannot be lumped in as one.
I realized even the public bus system in NYC is pretty good. Most of the buses seem to run 24/7, some of them even on a half hourly basis in the middle of the night.
Moscow metro, milan metro, and berlin ubahn have nothing on mta, they dont run24/7 in city.
Regarding the rest of those who run regional also run in city / local fyi, so is one system.
Trains run this way because countries in rest of the world are divided in cities not states if you take geography you know distance and population, which makes financial sense. Ny is a state, which has cities and boroughs thus has that population.
If mta would face the same service dealing with other usa states , would go belly up, not only in maintenence, updating technology, stops per population/ time ,but every possible way.
Cannot even keep up its own which has every found aviable from extended taxation to financal possiblity avaible in the table being with 20 millions inhabitants, which 70% use MTA, and with median wage of new york and being fincal center of world , forget avout running as the rest do local and regional.
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Moscow metro, milan metro, and berlin ubahn have nothing on mta, they dont run24/7 in city.
Regarding the rest of those who run regional also run in city / local fyi, so is one system.
Trains run this way because countries in rest of the world are divided in cities not states if you take geography you know distance and population, which makes financial sense. Ny is a state, which has cities and boroughs thus has that population.
If mta would face the same service dealing with other usa states , would go belly up, not only in maintenence, updating technology, stops per population/ time ,but every possible way.
Cannot even keep up its own which has every found aviable from extended taxation to financal possiblity avaible in the table being with 20 millions inhabitants, which 70% use MTA, and with median wage of new york and being fincal center of world , forget avout running as the rest do local and regional.
There are quite a lot of countries that are divided into states. That is not a unique American thing.
There are quite a lot of countries that are divided into states. That is not a unique American thing.
Is unique thing beside very few which are not called not exactly states but regions, in europe its only germany.
But lest not take it as an isolated example and generalize. In germany what is the population have those states and what is the area they cover, compared to new york ?land other states in usa?
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NYC subway system is comparable to the subway in the cities of developing countries like Mexico City in Mexico, Sao Paulo and Rio in Brazil. This is what my cousin told me. Europe, Asia, thier subways are light years ahead of NYC and the rest of the northeast. America won't be able to catch up.
"Europe, Asia, their* subways are light years ahead of NYC and the rest of the northeast. America won't be able to catch up."
"light years ahead" until these systems start showing their age in another 20, 30 years and the countries have trouble paying for maintenance and upgrades, and go to increase the fares and face a brick wall of resistence. Every system built is "shiny and new" and outpaces another older 100 year old system, until that countries' subway system starts to show it's age as well.
It's difficult to compare a lot of subways to NYC since the vast majority have been constructed in the past 20 to 40 years, whereas New York's is about 110 years old +. Apples and oranges, really.
And the "catching up" comment makes little sense, logically. I think America can easily catch up, as long as technology and infrastructure dollars are put in place--the money has to be there.
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"Europe, Asia, their* subways are light years ahead of NYC and the rest of the northeast. America won't be able to catch up."
"light years ahead" until these systems start showing their age in another 20, 30 years and the countries have trouble paying for maintenance and upgrades, and go to increase the fares and face a brick wall of resistence. Every system built is "shiny and new" and outpaces another older 100 year old system, until that countries' subway system starts to show it's age as well.
It's difficult to compare a lot of subways to NYC since the vast majority have been constructed in the past 20 to 40 years, whereas New York's is about 110 years old +. Apples and oranges, really.
And the "catching up" comment makes little sense, logically. I think America can easily catch up, as long as technology and infrastructure dollars are put in place--the money has to be there.
It's a typical American reasoning - just because it's old it supposed to be in a poor condition. If you maintain something properly it's still going look and run as new. The subway system isn't properly maintained but it's a great job for those who get on the gravy train.
"Europe, Asia, their* subways are light years ahead of NYC and the rest of the northeast. America won't be able to catch up."
"light years ahead" until these systems start showing their age in another 20, 30 years and the countries have trouble paying for maintenance and upgrades, and go to increase the fares and face a brick wall of resistence. Every system built is "shiny and new" and outpaces another older 100 year old system, until that countries' subway system starts to show it's age as well.
It's difficult to compare a lot of subways to NYC since the vast majority have been constructed in the past 20 to 40 years, whereas New York's is about 110 years old +. Apples and oranges, really.
And the "catching up" comment makes little sense, logically. I think America can easily catch up, as long as technology and infrastructure dollars are put in place--the money has to be there.
Taxes, taxes and taxes. US has a whole as a lower tax rate than places in Asia and Europe. Countries like Peoples Republic of China and Singapore has state sponsored capitalism where public funds are used to maintain public transportation and to build such products of engineering. Some subway systems can be old, and still look new and run as it was built yesterday. NYC subway system is a little over a 100 years old. Their is no excuse. A world class city like NYC, supposed to have a world class subway sytem, this goes for both MTA, and Port Authority. I'm not sure if it was the gothamist or Huffpost, or some millennial transplatish news paper, that stated that NYC would take 50 years to obtain all necessary repairs to make subway run efficiently.
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It's a typical American reasoning - just because it's old it supposed to be in a poor condition. If you maintain something properly it's still going look and run as new. The subway system isn't properly maintained but it's a great job for those who get on the gravy train.
I agree with you on this.
Look here guys. NYC subway system is not 3rd world. 3rd world countries don't really have a subway system. 3rd world countries like Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador, Guyana, Bolivia, Ecuador come to mind where transportation is not up to the public but up to a coalition of private mini buses. What hurt NYC and the rest of the Northeast was deindustrialization, and car movement of suburbia. As jobs throughout America move overseas, for many young people, they have to move to cities for work, for some its the northeast, and renewed interest in public transportation is some what up again. Again NYC subway system is not first world either, except for a couple of gem stations like WTC PATH which cost 4 billion dollars, or Columbus Circle station with all of its stores, or 34th street, Javits center. Public transporation in NYC is comparable to the rest of the Northeast imo. Also the entire Americas is mainly developed around cars as the main source of transportation, where Europe is smaller and is developed around rails, same could be said fo Asia with close large population centers where rail is needed. Hopefully with the future Boswash corrider.
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, or Columbus Circle station with all of its stores, or 34th street, Javits center. Public transporation in NYC is comparable to the rest of the Northeast imo. Also the entire Americas is mainly developed around cars as the main source of transportation, where Europe is smaller and is developed around rails, same could be said fo Asia with close large population centers where rail is needed. Hopefully with the future Boswash corrider.
