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First, I really love my CUNY college (Hunter). I went to NYU and it was fine! However, I found many students were from the Mid-West and tried to emulate the characters from "Friends" or "Gossip Girls". PUHLEEZE! The professors were great but having gone to private and public, I saw no difference. NYU and Hunter College professors were very good and I learned so much from both schools. CUNY is great because it's affordable and you can get a great education, just paying less. NYU is mostly for the reputation.
In all honestly, it's really what you do AFTER you graduate, who you know and where you go.
This is a very interesting thread. Some of the posters cite their bad experience teaching at CUNY as a basis for denigrating the entire University system. Learning is a two-way street...the students need to be motivated and the teacher must be good at their job. Perhaps inadequacies on the part of the instructor may lead to bad impressions of the CUNY system as a whole. The same could be said for students who thought their education at CUNY was a joke. I believe that you get what you want out of your education. If you think that your degree is a joke, maybe the joke is on you.
My point in saying all this is that our personal experiences from within the education system will color our opinions (good or bad). So maybe those who interact with CUNY students and faculty from outside the system (e.g. employers and graduate school advisers, professional societies, peers, etc.) will have the most objective and accurate assessments.
For example, the poster who thought the Special Education degree was inadequate may turn out to be a dynamite special ed. teacher. This might lead his/her peers to believe that the CUNY preparation was outstanding. Who's opinion would be more valuable in this situation?
CUNY is absolutely horrid. It's like an extention of the crappy public school system in new york. But even with this said I do NOT recommend anyone attend NYU either which is probably the most popular private school there. They charge ivy league prices for basically nothing. In the end I'm not certain what college teaches you anyway. In this day and age you can learn more from the internet about making money than you ever could in a classroom.
As a born and bred New Yorker, the public school system depends on which one you go to. I went to both private (Catholic) and Public (High School). The only difference is you pay for one and get beat up by nuns and the other you get beat up by students. Both had fantastic teachers. The big difference in the school system is the students and their socio-economic status. Poorer students (NOT ALL OF THEM) tend to due worse. In Private, you are expected to get good grades.
It's hard to say CUNY is an extension of the "crappy school system". Stuyvesant High is one of the best and most of the students come from RICH families (HELLO, I WENT THERE! I KNOW!) The "Fame School" is part of it and they made a movie about it! ( I SAW 10TIMES AND MY OLDER SISTER WENT THERE! VERY SELECTIVE). Do not judge the NYC school system based on a few bad schools. Most large cities have "crappy school" but then again you never see any of the students in the NYC public school system bring in a rifle and shoot down the teachers and students e.g., COLUMBINE!
Virginia Tech is another example. Just recently, at CCNY, a student brought in a gun to take care of broken heart and NO ONE WAS HURT!
So, each and every one of us, our educational experience is different.
Ok this is completely ludicrous. I transfer from another state, and CUNY IS THE WORSE SCHOOL EVER> Specially y the math department at queensborough community college. There are honors students who cant pass the math 13 and math10 classes.
They lectures are given in one way, and the final exam, wich is prepared by the department show totally different deal. Every student in cuny take those classes at least 2 or 3 times. The highest number of times i have heard of is 9 times.
There are tons of students complaining abou this. One honors student with a GPA of 3.4 staid in the pre-algebra class 4 semester. The last two semester, she attend only that pre-algebra math class for one entire year.
The math department constantly changes the books, and 80% of the professors who teach this pre-algebra classes are SIMPLE TERRIBLE. They all adjoint professors, with zero skillls on how to teach. Many are there for the pay check. Others have such of heavy accents that are very difficult to understand, the tutoring center is always pack and is not well organized. Two students seat next to the tutors in a round table and never move from hours, making it impossible for others to brake in. The tutors dont move from their seats to attend other students.
You go to ratemyprofessor, and there are horrible reviews about queensborough pre-algebra math professors.
The students that do pass those classes are students who already took algebra en hight school, or other country or schools, and they able to manage by themselves to understand the material or remember material from their previous schools.
The math department give students a final exam practice paper, which consist of very easy problems, and processors tell students that is all they need to study. Then when the exam comes in, the problems are very different from the lectures in lass and not even similar to the easy ones they put on the practice exam paper..
In general, more than 40% of students who take this class fail. THat is a very high rate for a remedial class that is suppose to be easy. If the math department didnt set the student for fail, by presenting trick or different material, then it wont be as difficult to to pass. --And when i mean difficult is not about easy manth problems, but to not trick students with questions that werent really practise in class or in their
And as for the honors student I spoke about earlier, she's finally graduating. After spending 4 years in queensborough community college, and all that due to ONE math. (pre-algebra. HOpe someone takes noticed and take action to correct this mess. Is affecting students lives.
As for me, i have decided to got student loans and go to a private university where i can find honest, who care about their students, and provides organized and high quality education.
One insider staff memeber of queensborough told me in confidence that Cuny is in for the money, not the students. By holding them back with the math class, the school makes more profit.
Ok this is all bull ****. I transfer from another state, and CUNY IS THE WORSE SCHOOL EVER> Specially y the math department at queensborough community college. There are honors students who cant mass the math 13 and math10 classes.
They lectures are given in one way, and the final exam, wich is prepared by the department show totally different deal. Every student in cuny take those classes at least 2 or 3 times. The highest number of times i have heard of is 9 times.
There are tons of students complaining abou this. One honors student with a GPA of 3.4 staid in the pre-algebra class 4 semester. The last two, she attend the entire year only for the math class.
The math department constantly changes the books and 80% of the professors who teaches this pre-algebra classes are SIMPLE TERRIBLE. The all adjoint professors, with zero skillls on how to teach. Many are there for the pay check.
You go to ratemyprofessor, and there are horrible reviews about queensborough pre-algebra math professors.
The students that do pass those classes are students that already took algebra en hight school, or other country or schools, and they able to manage by themselves to understand the material.
They give you a final exam practice paper, which consist of very easy problems, and processor tells you that is all you need to study. Then when the exam comes in, the problems are very different from the lectures in lass and completely not even similar to the easy ones they put on the practice exam paper..
In general, more than 40% of students who take this class fail. THat is a very high rate for a remedial class that is suppose to be easy. IF the math department didnt set the student for fail by presenting trick or different material. Then it wont be as hard to pass.
And for the honors student I spoke to. She finally is going to graduate after spending 4 years in queensborough community college, and all that due to math. HOpe someone takes noticed and take action to correct this mess. Is affecting students lives.
Unfortunately, whereas CUNY used to be quite selective, they are now just the final link in a chain of horrendous NYC schools: bad NYC grammar schools, to bad NYC public high schools, to bad NYC community colleges, to bad CUNY schools.
Agree with you.
Ok this is all bull ****. I transfer from another state, and CUNY IS THE WORSE SCHOOL EVER> Specially y the math department at queensborough community college. There are honors students who cant mass the math 13 and math10 classes.
They lectures are given in one way, and the final exam, wich is prepared by the department show totally different deal. Every student in cuny take those classes at least 2 or 3 times. The highest number of times i have heard of is 9 times.
There are tons of students complaining abou this. One honors student with a GPA of 3.4 staid in the pre-algebra class 4 semester. The last two, she attend the entire year only for the math class.
The math department constantly changes the books and 80% of the professors who teaches this pre-algebra classes are SIMPLE TERRIBLE. The all adjoint professors, with zero skillls on how to teach. Many are there for the pay check.
You go to ratemyprofessor, and there are horrible reviews about queensborough pre-algebra math professors.
The students that do pass those classes are students that already took algebra en hight school, or other country or schools, and they able to manage by themselves to understand the material.
They give you a final exam practice paper, which consist of very easy problems, and processor tells you that is all you need to study. Then when the exam comes in, the problems are very different from the lectures in lass and completely not even similar to the easy ones they put on the practice exam paper..
In general, more than 40% of students who take this class fail. THat is a very high rate for a remedial class that is suppose to be easy. IF the math department didnt set the student for fail by presenting trick or different material. Then it wont be as hard to pass.
And for the honors student I spoke to. She finally is going to graduate after spending 4 years in queensborough community college, and all that due to math. HOpe someone takes noticed and take action to correct this mess. Is affecting students lives.
Ok this is all bull ****. I transfer from another state, and CUNY IS THE WORSE SCHOOL EVER> Specially y the math department at queensborough community college. There are honors students who cant mass the math 13 and math10 classes.
They lectures are given in one way, and the final exam, wich is prepared by the department show totally different deal. Every student in cuny take those classes at least 2 or 3 times. The highest number of times i have heard of is 9 times.
There are tons of students complaining abou this. One honors student with a GPA of 3.4 staid in the pre-algebra class 4 semester. The last two, she attend the entire year only for the math class.
The math department constantly changes the books and 80% of the professors who teaches this pre-algebra classes are SIMPLE TERRIBLE. The all adjoint professors, with zero skillls on how to teach. Many are there for the pay check.
You go to ratemyprofessor, and there are horrible reviews about queensborough pre-algebra math professors.
The students that do pass those classes are students that already took algebra en hight school, or other country or schools, and they able to manage by themselves to understand the material.
They give you a final exam practice paper, which consist of very easy problems, and processor tells you that is all you need to study. Then when the exam comes in, the problems are very different from the lectures in lass and completely not even similar to the easy ones they put on the practice exam paper..
In general, more than 40% of students who take this class fail. THat is a very high rate for a remedial class that is suppose to be easy. IF the math department didnt set the student for fail by presenting trick or different material. Then it wont be as hard to pass.
And for the honors student I spoke to. She finally is going to graduate after spending 4 years in queensborough community college, and all that due to math. HOpe someone takes noticed and take action to correct this mess. Is affecting students lives.
If she is a honor's student, why da heck did it take her 4 years to graduate with an associate degree when she could've transfer to a senior CUNY college and graduate with a Bachelors.
Not every Cuny school is bad. I went to Kingsborough and I loved that school. The professors were really nice. I went to Brooklyn College and I hated it. The professors were stuckup.
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bad experiences can be due to other factors
