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For the LES and East Harlem in particular, I imagine that due to the very high number of NYCHA buildings the poverty rate will always be high at first glance, but that'll be artificial. If you exclude NYCHA residents, who cannot be displaced because the buildings will always be there, the poverty rate in gentrifying areas like East Harlem the poverty rate is probably not that much elevated over the rest of the city. And it's probably pretty low for somewhere like the LES which has been heavily gentrified for much longer.
You're forgetting tenements in East Harlem and in the LES. What people here don't want to accept is no well off person lives in an overcrowded, poorly maintained tenement.
A kid who moves to the LES from Texas while pursing his career as an actor is living in POVERTY (with 4 o5 roommates), and IF they make it will likely move out to better circumstances.
And the rates aren't artificial. The NYCHA's themselves are there. In Harlem (all over) the bodegas are typically full of dealers (who give the bodegas a cut of their sales). This hasn't disappeared as of the end of 2016. You still have shootings over turf battles.
Notice too that though Jersey has terrible poverty in places like Newark, suburban areas STILL had much lower rates of poverty. Gentrification is overblown to the point of being fictional outside of a few neighborhoods.
Yes, Chelsea really gentrified (expensive high rises). Yes LIC and Williamsburg gentrified, though the Hasidic section is still full of poverty and though there are still housing projects in both neighborhoods.
And notice the citywide poverty rate has INCREASED since 2007, and has not gone down.
Not acknowledging the positive aspects to gentrification is political correctness in the extreme
The positive aspects of gentrification???? For who yuppies and transplants? Scumbag developers and banker wanksters?
What the **** are you talking about? Why don't you go to Bed-Stuy Brooklyn or the LES and talk to life-long residents who are getting evicted and harassed by police so you can have a ****ing artisan pickle shop and a condo and call yourself "edgy"
The positive aspects of gentrification???? For who yuppies and transplants? Scumbag developers and banker wanksters?
What the **** are you talking about? Why don't you go to Bed-Stuy Brooklyn or the LES and talk to life-long residents who are getting evicted and harassed by police so you can have a ****ing artisan pickle shop and a condo and call yourself "edgy"
At least LES has a Whole Foods. It will be a very long time before Bed-Stuy gets ANY nice new stores, or anything like that.
With that said, it is nice that neighborhoods got better retail options and amenities. But truly comfortable living you can only find in the completely gentrified neighborhoods like Chelsea. There's only a few of those, and they are extremely expensive.
I notice how the proponents ignore the data on gentrification. The city's poverty rate has increased since 2007, and many allegedly gentrified neighborhoods have very high rates of poverty. A white waiter/actor moving into a neighborhood and sharing with 4 other people doesn't make a neighborhood well off. Whenever that person become successful, has kids, and/or gets older he's gonna bail out of there.
The positive aspects of gentrification???? For who yuppies and transplants? Scumbag developers and banker wanksters?
What the **** are you talking about? Why don't you go to Bed-Stuy Brooklyn or the LES and talk to life-long residents who are getting evicted and harassed by police so you can have a ****ing artisan pickle shop and a condo and call yourself "edgy"
What exactly makes developers and banksters "scumbags"? The taxes they pay support NY's massive social safety net. For all the hate, I don't see people rushing to go live in Baltimore, for all that they love "realness". As far as police harassment goes, that has nothing to do with gentrification. Ferguson, MO probably wasn't a hipster haven....
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