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With the rise of populism in the west, Jews will face plenty of backlash. Regardless of left or right, Jews will face a huge amount of negativity due to the fact they dominate commercial trade and make up a huge bulk of the wealthy class. Lets be realistic here, most American wealthy are either wealthy Wasps and Jews. I just hope no Jews will not be persecuted. People should not be angry at Jews. Jews work hard, believe in family, and believe in education. Very noble traits that I admire.
If I"m being perfectly honest I think the left poses a far larger threat to American (and European) Jews than the right does given how things are now. Left wing political cultures are currently dominated by pro-immigration (especially of refugees and middle easterners, who are more anti Semitic than anyone on the planet) and strongly focusing racial oppression issues. The success of American Jews undermines their narrative of constant oppression, so frankly I feel that the left wing does not have the interest of Jewish people (except their voters, which to be fair, are many) at heart. The same thing will happen/is already happening with Chinese and Indian immigrants.
On the other hand, the right wing's political cultures are dominated by pro gun (self defense, which should appeal to groups such as Jews which have higher-than-normal rates of being attacked) and pro-religion (obvious why this would be appealing). I am Jewish myself and lean left a little (on some but not all issues), but honestly I am shocked at how many of my Jewish friends and family are so vehemently far left. It always irritates me a lot when people online act as though Jews vote as a hivemind block because I don't agree with most Jews I know on most things, but frankly the stats kind of support that assertion, more than any other group I can think of except Blacks and Evangelicals.
Of course, based on myself and many of the other Jewish people I know, it has become more of an ethnicity than a religion, so the right wing supporting religion and Israel may not really be as appealing to many of them as I would expect. Being Jewish is more of a background "bonus" thing than a definition of who we are and it is barely even a religious thing any more, more of a heritage/ethnicity. I feel this way and so do many of my family. I think that is somewhat unique to Jews... I haven't found that most of my Christian or Muslim friends or work associates really seem to get it for the most part.
Israel has a right to sovereignty, and a right to self determination. This I agree with. Isreal does have a right to exist. For 3000 years, Jews faced major persecution from Supposedly Ancient Egypt Persians Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Crusaders, Spaniards, Portuguese, Venetians, Russians, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Cuba, and so on. Such entities killed, or expelled Jews from their lands in the Levant or their newly adopted homelands. Some states have been benevolent to Jews like Greek ruled Egypt, the Muslim Empires such as Umayyad in Spain and Syria, and Ottoman Turkish Empire. Republican states like Napoleonic France and post Civil War United States were also benevolent with Jews and still are to this day. The rise nationalization in the 19th century saw the increase of persecution of Jews in central Europe. With the rise of Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, saw more Jews flee to the Holy Land. The British mandate of Palestine was a political failure from the get go, which lead to where we are today in Palestine.
Before anyone says I'm an anti Semite and Anti Zionist, that I voted for Jewish politicians and even have a Jewish first name. I have to admit, I read Karl Marx, I also read the Hitler Mien Kampf. Which is really a good book, and admire some of Hitler political populist thoughts. Soviet Union and Nazi Germany destroyed or try to eradicate Jewish people and their culture. Even Yiddish culture is almost extinct. Gosh some great food came out of that culture. I'm pro Palestinian due to studying 2 semesters about the conflict. However I agree with Israel sovereignty and right to exist. But now, the time has come to settle the Palestinian question. Do Jews want Palestinians to have their own separate land on Holy Jewish ground? This is a tough call for many Jews to make. Do Jews want to share a state with a bunch of non Jews or Gentiles in an democratic society? Again this a very hard and touchy subject to understand. Should their be another great exodus where Jews should be mandated to go back to their native Europe and have all Palestinian land resettled by Muslims, or even Christians for that matter. A deal must be worked out. I hope for a unilateral democratic state for Jew and Gentile, or a two state solution with making Jerusalem Old City as an self representing enclave.
No. 71% of American Jews voted AGAINST Trump, more than ANY other American group except African Americans, who voted 85% against Trump.
We Jews certainly do NOT consider him an honorary Jew, and most of us find him very disturbing.
For one he has Jewish grand kids, all of his children except for Barron are married to Jews, Trump much of his whole life except for marriage and family has been surrounded by Jews. I should know, because I know someone who used to be his accountant, and he is Jewish. Trump marched in the Israel parade as a grand Marshall, Trump works in an Jewish industry, NYC Real Estate. What I find disturbing is that some Jewish Hard Liners support Trump, just as well as white nationalist. White nationalist are anti Zionist and anti semitic, while Donald Trump is pro semitic and Pro Zionist. I don't know how his administration is going to work out. All I know is that he will be a one term president.
For one he has Jewish grand kids, all of his children except for Barron are married to Jews, Trump much of his whole life except for marriage and family has been surrounded by Jews. I should know, because I know someone who used to be his accountant, and he is Jewish. Trump marched in the Israel parade as a grand Marshall, Trump works in an Jewish industry, NYC Real Estate. What I find disturbing is that some Jewish Hard Liners support Trump, just as well as white nationalist. White nationalist are anti Zionist and anti semitic, while Donald Trump is pro semitic and Pro Zionist. I don't know how his administration is going to work out. All I know is that he will be a one term president.
From your mouth to G-d's ears! (one term president).
I have heard that many of his children are dating/married to Jews. It is interesting, I admit.
Trump himself has never married a Jewish woman (and he's been married 3 times!). I guess we're not his type
In any case, as I mentioned only 29% of American Jews voted for Trump (the lowest percentage of any group of Americans except for African Americans).
Of that 29% of American Jewish Trump voters: many were Russian Jewish-Americans (not sure why, but they seem to like Trump! And they tend to hate Democrats/anything smacking of socialism in any case.)
And about 50% of Orthodox American Jews voted for Trump (they are a small percentage of American Jewry - maybe 10%). Many of them tend to vote Republican in any case, they are more socially conservative, they tend to be more pro-Israel than the average American Jew and felt Trump was more in Israel's corner, etc.
Finally, a small percentage of the very wealthiest of American Jews voted for Trump because...again, the very wealthy often tend to vote Republican.
Even most Jews, who as you mentioned on average are middle class or above/high average income compared to other Americans, did not vote for Trump.
But among the VERY wealthy American Jews, some did.
SOME Jews may go with Republicans, however the orthodox ones will not. They don't believe Israel should exist.
Orthodox is a umbrella that covers multiple different levels. The Modern Orthodox, who does not block vote, voted Republican. The Ultra Orthodox/Ultra Religious will block vote with the politician that gives them the most entitlements/freebies (historically Democrat), but they are not the majority (~10%).
It sounds like some people are ridiculously paranoid. Not that I am in favor of registering Muslims, but we have had major terrorist attacks from Muslim countries, and for obvious reasons the US has curtailed immigration from that part of the world. We won't be taking in millions of refugees from the Middle East.
Anti-semitisim does not equal someone wanting to wage genocide on Jewish people.
As many Jewish people speak of Judaism, it's a cult. Assimiliate into the general population and stop jumping up and down about your differences and your problems go away in MOST CASES in the modern world.
Even the way you speak of Israel, and feel the need to automatically defend it sounds cultish. I don't automatically defend countries or governments because they have large numbers of Black people.
Jewish people are not facing deportation like illegal immigrants are, under Trump. They are not facing a Muslim register. And I never heard of violent police shooting of Jewish people (unlike what happens to Black people). I think a lot of leftist Jewish activists completely exaggerate and blow things out of proportion in order to support their activism.
Yes, there is anti semitism, but is there any danger of the Holocaust happening in the US, or any country in the Americas? No. Any real chance of a repeat in Europe? No.
And a lot more than Jewish people died during WW2. Millions of Chinese, gypsies, etc. Native Americans all over the Americas died in large numbers because of European colonialism. Lots of Africans died during the African slave trade (on the ships, and that's not counting those who died on the plantations). Bad things happened to many groups of people. At a certain point it's time to move on ,and stop saying thing you don't like is another Holocaust!
Wow. Way to empathize.
Should I say that many black people are "ridiculously paranoid" about racism as well? How would you feel if I, or someone else, said that?
It's not a contest. Many groups have pain and oppression in their background. If we can empathize with each other's pain, we are making a good start.
As for Muslim-Americans being "registered" in the U.S.: this is VERY scary not only for Muslims (obviously), but also for many American Jews.
It just smacks a little too close to home of Nazi techniques in 1930s Germany for our comfort zone.
Once one group can get targetted and "registered" like that, none of us Americans are safe.
That is very rude what you said about "Jews should just assimilate and stop talking about their differences."
Some Jews cannot assimilate because they look obviously Jewish in phenotype.
Other Jews cannot assimilate because their traditional garments mark them as obviously Jewish.
Should Muslim Americans "just assimilate" and stop acting, dressing different and talking about differences?
Should African Americans "just assimilate" and stop whining about differences and racism?
While hate crimes against Jews are prevalent (and increasing), you are right that police have not targetted Jewish Americans the way they have African Americans.
Should I ridicule African-Americans for their (very valid) concerns about police brutality?
Should I display the complete lack of empathy for their/your pain the way you display for mine?
Do you think I am not aware that MANY others died and were targetted during the Holocaust?
Do you think I am not aware of the atrocities of American slavery? Or European colonialism all over the world?
Why would you assume I don't care about these things as well?
Just because I care about my own people's safety doesn't mean I don't care about others.
In fact, it is the contrary: because I feel the sting of oppression and racism/discrimination in my family history I am all the more concerned about the oppression and racism experienced by others too.
Just as I will fight for me, I will fight for you too.
Sadly (from your post above) it doesn't seem like you can say the same.
There is an apartheid state with Jews of occupied Palestinians.
You know, there are many countries where there's a main official religion. Why would you say Israel is an apartheid?
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IMHO, Israel is the enemy of the Jewish people.
Israel is a country that received an protected millions of jews. Why would you say that?
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There should not be a "Jewish state" anymore than their should be any state dedicated to one group of people. A state is there to serve all within its borders equally.
That's idealistic.
There's no such thing as equality for a state. Mention one state where everyone is equal...
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I am a Jew!!!! I am not a victim!!!! Mine were not the only people in history to face prejudice, discrimination, harm, and even death for who they were. I have no special status as a Jew
Ehm, obviously you never left nyc. I am Jewish and born and raised abroad. I came to the US in my 30s (I'm 40 now) after being sick and tired of prejudice. It exists. And it's as alive as always.
You have it wrong. We have no special status. No matter where we are in the world. So we better watch it an protect Israel.
Ehm, obviously you never left nyc. I am Jewish and born and raised abroad. I came to the US in my 30s (I'm 40 now) after being sick and tired of prejudice. It exists. And it's as alive as always.
You have it wrong. We have no special status. No matter where we are in the world. So we better watch it an protect Israel.
True,we are a bit protected here in NYC, where there are so many Jews it feels normal and easy.
Not so in the rest of the country,or the world.
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