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Old 12-24-2016, 06:52 AM
 
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Blind support of Israel has been very costly to the United States over the last half century.

 
Old 12-24-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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Sephardic Jews were in NYC first, 1654. Congregation Shearith Israel.

ETA: Oops, saw you mentioned that further down.
You're too late. I mentioned that already with Portuguese Jews from recife Brazil who immigrated to new Amsterdam on Dutch ships.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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Israel of today is governed by a legislative body that includes ALL viewpoints. Benjamin N. was not voted in with a clear majority so had to reach compromises with alternate viewpoints. ( Same thing occurs in Canada and UK)..which means..even tho Benji used his FEAR mongering to gain votes..He didn't win any majority within Israel so regardless of his meddling in American Congress ..other than promoting HATRED towards the POTUS..It didn't work for him at home.

If those who love to bash ALL democrats and anyone who disagree's with the Extreme views ( Alt-Right initiative ) will soon realize..FEAR Propaganda just isn't going to work as affectively in the future.

President elect will no doubt ignite common sense ruling class in most free countries will to recognize..that baiting and trying to set the table for negotiation after irresponsible tweets just may backfire. American Allies just may be hesitant to listen to Trump as POTUS as some sort of a Media Hog and his surrogates as facilitators to change treaties, acceptable Rules and risk in the latest twitter war..could very well escalate into a Nuke War.

Why?? Why would Trump telegraph to the world just how he knee jerks...Trump will soon have nuclear codes within a month... Imagine why normal American ( Canada by proxy) are fearful of his volatile and self-serving comments.. ALL before he even takes office. BTW~~ Courtesy of only one president at a time..OUT THE FLIPPEN" WINDOW!!

Putin will use Putin until Trump becomes less useful..Meanwhile..Putin is gambling..his Country's citizens only hear his propaganda.. However, they are suffering ..with lowest GDP per capita ..i.e. about 6K of Russians and 50K for Americans.

Russia vs United States Economy Stats Compared

When any leader control al aspects of their citizens..Putin has proven in spades that he is quite able to dupe his citizens..and those citizens that KNOW..keep their POV SILENT ( knowing they will be jailed or killed)! Meanwhile Putin has garnered multi billions in personal wealth 9 which is what Trump aspires to do).

That my dear friends is NOT a free society... Why doe's Trump embrace such a tyrant? Is he actually envisioning a similar stature? Too bad..Constitution will not allow that to ever happen!

Talk about fear mongering!
 
Old 12-24-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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Israel has been using this religion rift for decades to get money out of the US. Religion has blinded billions of people from reality while being walking contradictions the majority of the time. From Islam to Christianity, religion has produced problems that are easily dismissed without a religious viewpoint attached to decision making.

This is why more and more people are atheist.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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^ That may be true for most religions but Islam seems to be growing and stronger than ever. Ironically, it might actually be the lone religion survivor hundreds of years from now when every other ones die out.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 09:06 AM
 
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Is Obama anti-semitic or what? Until he arrived on the scene all of America supported Israel.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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^ That may be true for most religions but Islam seems to be growing and stronger than ever. Ironically, it might actually be the lone religion survivor hundreds of years from now when every other ones die out.
This is very true. In this century Islam will over take Christianity due to large number or increase of African Muslims. Christianity WI decline due to less Christians in Europe, North America and a developing Latin America having less children.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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Is Obama anti-semitic or what? Until he arrived on the scene all of America supported Israel.
Opposing Israel in not ant-semetic. That's like saying opposing apartheid South Africa was racist against the white afrikaaners. It's very clear that Israel operates as an apartheid state, arabs within its jurisdiction have second class citizen ids. Arabs are subject to home bulldozing, military checkpoints, violence, abuse, even most recently Israel cut off water to Palestinian villages.

US opposition to illegal settlements is a no brainer, one its illegal, two it it is the main reason current grievance of Palestinians and leads heightened tensions. It is literally the Israelis bulldozing palestian homes, evicting them, killing anyone who resists, and then building new Israeli suburbs in place enforced by a military state. It is also designed to fracture the Palestinian authority to prevent a functioning palestinian state from existing. Mind you the PA has largely cooperated with Israel. Israeli aggression against them despite cooperation has led to the rise of groups like Hamas.

The US a needs to adopt a policy of boycotting, divesting, and sanctioning (BDS) Israel at least until they roll back their illegal settlements. BDS policies were the policies that forced Apartheid south africa to stop its apartheid policies. the US and Obama recently gave billions of dollars in US taxpayer money to Israel to buy more bombs. Literally for no reason, the US continues to subsidize the Israeli regime despite their constant human rights abuses.

I do believe in the Jewish right to self-determination and autonomy, just like any other peoples of the world. Just not at the terrible expense of others. That is why opposing Israel on a policy basis in not anti-Semitic, it is logical. Supporting Israel at this point is savage and barbarous
 
Old 12-24-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Is Obama anti-semitic or what? Until he arrived on the scene all of America supported Israel.
A horribly expensive mistake.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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Is Obama anti-semitic or what? Until he arrived on the scene all of America supported Israel.
People complain about those on welfare throughout the country, but Israel is by far our biggest welfare case. Meanwhile reparations for black people that suffered in this country for centuries is nonexistent but here we are decades later STILL giving billions it Israel.
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