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Originally Posted by Sunny DeSurf
Is Obama anti-semitic or what? Until he arrived on the scene all of America supported Israel.
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Is Obama anti-semitic or what? I'll go with "what". Anti-Semitic? You'd have to explain to me how a man who has virtually surrounded himself with advisors who are Jewish can be called an anti-semite. So, Obama or Trump, which one is the anti-semite? I'll go with the one in orange with thinks the other in black is a Kenyan, thinks Mexicans are rapists, Muslims should be banned, and Jews have, well, just way too much power.
Look, Sunny, maybe you just need to understand a very simple equation; or two for that matter:
Israel ≠ Jew
Jew≠ Israel
They're not the same. Not even close. I'm fervently anti-zionist, find Israel to be an inequitable, apartheid society, and favor full rights and equality and citizenship for all between the Jordan and Mediterranean: Jew, Palestinian, guest worker, refugee, the whole group.
And what drives my believes? is it anti-Semitism? Hell, no. I'm a Jew, a proud Jew, not a self-hating Jew. And my feelings about Israel are driven by my very Jewishness. To me and
a huge portion of American Jewry (does anyone seriously doubt that Israel has already lost the American Jewish left?), Israel is anathema to Jewish belief in equality, social justice, love the neighbor, compassion, the law. I take pride that some of the greatest minds and leaders in the movement for social justice in Israel Palestine are Jews. "Not in our name" is a motto that describes it all. Based on being treated as outsiders, "the other", the misfits in the land of another people, those discriminated and persecuted in Israel Palestine, the "real Jews" are the Palestinians. Their story is the story of Jews in the Diaspora, Jews in the lands of the other. In Israel, we get the Jewish response to having to endured being the outsider for 2000 years in the land of others being to make a land of their own at the expense of the others who become hated and the enemy in their own f'ing land, a land they had been on for ages. (You may have heard this story before: English Pilgrims left the old world because it discrminated against them and started a new life in America in a colony of their own. In what became the Puritan dominated Massachusetts Bay, Pilgrims discriinated against virtually all other faiths, making them unwelcome in their part of New England)
Two thousand years of Jewish Diaspora, of Jews being treated like others in the lands of others, two millennia that built up to the tragedy that is the Holocaust. And what was the "Jewish response"? To develop a land of their own in the land of others (unless you really believe the old saw: a land without people and a people without land), brutally occupying another people (since 1967), the Palestinians, basically second class non-citizens in their own land, and telling the world that they are "the Jewish homeland" BS.
And guess what, fellow Jews: Israel's actions just prove the obvious....Jews are no different from anybody else....we both
give as well as receive prejudice and when given a state, we do the same ungodly thing that all others do with their states. There is no Jewish exceptionalism (and, thank goodness, but exceptionalism means "different" and if real difference existed, than the likes of Adolph Hitler were right in their racial theories). More emphatically:
JEWS ARE NOT VICTIMS. We alone did not suffer at the hands of others; that is sad story of humanity in general. And nothing can be more paralyzing than turning oneself into the ultimate victim. If that victimhood and that notion of "Beware, the world will always come at you for being a Jew") is what we pass on to our children, then we won't be having children who remain Jewish.
Israel doesn't even exist. It is Israel Palestine. And Jews make up 50% of the population at best, probably less. And Palestinian population grows faster than Jewish, guest workers from other nations still come in (and stay) and there will be no two states between the Jordan and the sea: Israel Palestine is one, indivisible (although hardly with liberty and justice for all): you cannot split it. It is interspersed with Jewish and Palestinian communities (look at the west bank) that cannot physically be divided by even the most gerrymandered border-from-hell.
And we real Jews do not support this abomination. There are plenty of us out there. And those two equations; they work:
Israel ≠ Jew
Jew≠ Israel
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