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This is only true in areas like NYC where you have large districts that encompass students from different socioeconomic backgrounds.
I grew up on LI. There were a large number of much smaller districts that were much more homogenous economically. If you're rich, you buy a house in an expensive town, pay the high property taxes, and send your kids to the very good public schools those taxes support. Westchester is largely the same way.
This model is much more common nationally than the NYC model.
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
The nation as a whole? No. There are wealthy enclaves like Beverly Hills that have public schools that are wealthy, because due to zoning poor people are kept out. But in general rich, wealthy, and famous people send their kids to private schools.
Ironically, even a lot of public school teachers send their kids to private schools.
This is only true in areas like NYC where you have large districts that encompass students from different socioeconomic backgrounds.
I grew up on LI. There were a large number of much smaller districts that were much more homogenous economically. If you're rich, you buy a house in an expensive town, pay the high property taxes, and send your kids to the very good public schools those taxes support. Westchester is largely the same way.
This model is much more common nationally than the NYC model.
These people were maybe middle to upper middle class. Rich people, famous people, top politicians by and large send their kids to private school. This is national, and there are private schools nationally.
But this is neither here nor there, because if people in the suburbs love their schools so much, they can continue to go there and apply their school vouchers there, if that is really their choice.
And this says a lot about people from LI too. They chose to move to certain suburban districts were they've largely excluded minorities, and yet when school choice is proposed as a way of changing education in inner cities, they panic (out of fear that people will leave their supposedly beloved suburban schools, and that people they know in the school systems may find themselves looking for new jobs).
But if these schools are supposedly so good and beloved, parents are more than free to apply their vouchers to them.
I've lived in Alabama, and I can say this for the South as a whole. White people definitely don't do public schools unless they are poor. The way of getting around the court mandated requirements to integrate was for anyone who had the resources to send their kids to private schools. Meaning public schools were for Black people and poor white people, and white teachers who taught at public schools sent their own kids to private schools.
I'm in California a lot, and generally speaking in Southern California private schools are the way to go for the well to do. If you live in a completely wealthy municipality like Beverly Hills that refuses to allow people from other municipalities to attend public school there then a well of person might do public schools there. But generally speaking the LAUSD is avoided by the well off.
These people were maybe middle to upper middle class. Rich people, famous people, top politicians by and large send their kids to private school. This is national, and there are private schools nationally.
But this is neither here nor there, because if people in the suburbs love their schools so much, they can continue to go there and apply their school vouchers there, if that is really their choice.
And this says a lot about people from LI too. They chose to move to certain suburban districts were they've largely excluded minorities, and yet when school choice is proposed as a way of changing education in inner cities, they panic (out of fear that people will leave their supposedly beloved suburban schools, and that people they know in the school systems may find themselves looking for new jobs).
But if these schools are supposedly so good and beloved, parents are more than free to apply their vouchers to them.
Your anecdotal evidence means little, and you just go right to your standard race baiting backup.
Rich and Famous people do send their kids to public schools in many areas of the country. The majority of residents of Scarsdale, Palo Alto, Top Politicians, largely not. Moreso, as you mentioned before, as some desire for heightened choice and security- but also as a series of events for well connected parents to network. The Mayor of New York, does send his kids to public school. So, there's some give and take on that.
The established school districts on LI and Westchester were not established on race alone. They have become insular, and the quality of the school system has established the pricing for houses in the neighborhoods. Those who value the quality education, will end up paying for it. Wealthy minorities exist in the richest districts, and low and behold- send their kids to public schools.
I don't think any parents in small suburban districts are fearing a voucher system, aside from those in districts with heavy religious influence (see Five Towns, Long Island). Again, as is, 95+% of the residents attend public school.
The staff may very well be another story. If more schools go private, you create a bifurcated market. Low grade instructors would get paid less, while those at the top could demand a lot more. Which will simply lead to a similar system as we have now- Rich White Kids will still end up with the best teachers, because their parents are willing to pay for them. They'll just be subsidized further from the government to do so.
I've lived in Alabama, and I can say this for the South as a whole. White people definitely don't do public schools unless they are poor. The way of getting around the court mandated requirements to integrate was for anyone who had the resources to send their kids to private schools. Meaning public schools were for Black people and poor white people, and white teachers who taught at public schools sent their own kids to private schools.
I'm in California a lot, and generally speaking in Southern California private schools are the way to go for the well to do. If you live in a completely wealthy municipality like Beverly Hills that refuses to allow people from other municipalities to attend public school there then a well of person might do public schools there. But generally speaking the LAUSD is avoided by the well off.
You are comparing bad school districts, to good ones.
It's not race exclusive, although that is a deeply rooted problem in much of the south.
'Generally' speaking in Southern California is not what you're actually speaking about. You're speaking of the city school district of Los Angeles. Just like saying New York Metro education is terrible- it isn't. It's ONLY the urban school district. Ventura and Orange have many successful students at public school who go on to the best public colleges in the world.
You are comparing bad school districts, to good ones.
It's not race exclusive, although that is a deeply rooted problem in much of the south.
'Generally' speaking in Southern California is not what you're actually speaking about. You're speaking of the city school district of Los Angeles. Just like saying New York Metro education is terrible- it isn't. It's ONLY the urban school district. Ventura and Orange have many successful students at public school who go on to the best public colleges in the world.
I doubt the same could be said about San Bernandino County (Inland Empire has a lot of poverty) and of course LA suburbs like Compton have pretty ****ty public schools.
Too much consideration is given to what the teachers union wants. That needs to be changed.
Agreed. The teachers union has often been much more concerned about protecting the jobs of teachers and often oppose any positive change out of fear teachers jobs could be lost.
Your anecdotal evidence means little, and you just go right to your standard race baiting backup.
Rich and Famous people do send their kids to public schools in many areas of the country. The majority of residents of Scarsdale, Palo Alto, Top Politicians, largely not. Moreso, as you mentioned before, as some desire for heightened choice and security- but also as a series of events for well connected parents to network. The Mayor of New York, does send his kids to public school. So, there's some give and take on that.
The established school districts on LI and Westchester were not established on race alone. They have become insular, and the quality of the school system has established the pricing for houses in the neighborhoods. Those who value the quality education, will end up paying for it. Wealthy minorities exist in the richest districts, and low and behold- send their kids to public schools.
I don't think any parents in small suburban districts are fearing a voucher system, aside from those in districts with heavy religious influence (see Five Towns, Long Island). Again, as is, 95+% of the residents attend public school.
The staff may very well be another story. If more schools go private, you create a bifurcated market. Low grade instructors would get paid less, while those at the top could demand a lot more. Which will simply lead to a similar system as we have now- Rich White Kids will still end up with the best teachers, because their parents are willing to pay for them. They'll just be subsidized further from the government to do so.
Duh! That's unavoidable, as the keyword is RICH.
However since rich white kids (well their parents) certainly have the right to send their kids to wherever they want to go to school, I find it amazing you want to deny other people that right, all so you can preserve the jobs of public school teachers. Yes, poor people should be able to have their kids to go whatever school they can, and yes there are private schools that would take school vouchers. Maybe poor and middle class people would send their kids to Catholic or other religious schools where they kids wouldn't have to be stuck in classes with kids who are simply not going to do well. Segregation in schools and inequity is somewhat UNAVOIDABLE.
In huge regions of the country, it's no secret that white people send their kids to private schools to avoid public school integration (all across the South). At least the Southerners were open about it.
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