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Old 01-22-2017, 04:37 AM
 
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but should we have school vouchers allowing parents to take their allotted tax dollars and let them be spent at their school of choice.

Should childless couples and singles be given the same value vouchers that could be spent at Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Best Buy, and Amazon...or Con-Ed?
How about Cash? I'm sure the DALTON SCHOOL would accept 400 Benjamins.
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Old 01-22-2017, 04:58 AM
 
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Fine, if you are extremely wealthy and you want your kids to rub elbows only with the wealthy, send your kids to the DALTON SCHOOL and pay 40 grand for the privilege.
If you want your kid to get a Catholic education/indoctrination send your kid to OUR LADY OF LOST HOPE. Either Our Lady will pick up the bill or YOU will.


We have a First Amendment for a reason and two of the reasons are to keep religions away from the tax coffers and governments away from the religions.
And our new President will likely push school vouchers through via executive order, as it is perfectly legal for him to reallocate the department of education dollars as they see fit.

Federal financial aid is used to send people to religious and/or private universities, for adults ages 18 and over. Government funding goes to religious charities.

So clearly the government funding religious education is CONSTITUTIONAL.

We see Trump wasted no time with executive orders and wait till Betsy deVos is confirmed.
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Old 01-22-2017, 05:36 AM
 
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Competition is a good thing.
Like a business? Can public schools decline to accept students that it does not want to educate, just like businesses have the freedom to decline customers?
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Old 01-22-2017, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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Like a business? Can public schools decline to accept students that it does not want to educate, just like businesses have the freedom to decline customers?
They decline them today. If a district or zone is more desirable than others than they get the voucher money to create more seats. So someone from the hood doesn't have to necessarily go to school in the hood. Let there be integration.
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Old 01-22-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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They decline them today. If a district or zone is more desirable than others than they get the voucher money to create more seats. So someone from the hood doesn't have to necessarily go to school in the hood. Let there be integration.
Can the districts or zones that are less desirable also decline students? After all, they will be left with the ones who are more difficult to educate. Businesses have the freedom to decline unprofitable customers. Freelancers can decline bad clients. Can all schools decline bad students? Choice should work both ways. If students can choose to attend whatever school they want, schools should be allowed to choose the students they want to enroll.
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Old 01-22-2017, 06:31 AM
 
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Can the districts or zones that are less desirable also decline students? After all, they will be left with the ones who are more difficult to educate. Businesses have the freedom to decline unprofitable customers. Freelancers can decline bad clients. Can all schools decline bad students? Choice should work both ways. If students can choose to attend whatever school they want, schools should be allowed to choose the students they want to enroll.
Many current rules would have to be changed to create any sensibility of such programs.

The locally zoned public school ultimately cannot refuse 'bad' students... and yes, many will end up in jail by the time they are 25. Certain environmental conditions are huge predictors of this.

With a huge movement of special education students, the onus of responsibility has to be decided. Do they get extra voucher funding or higher matched state/federal funding?

Few to none of these things are Trump or DeVos' responsibility.
The fed is not an overarching K-12 agency. The first presidential cabinet to make that a priority was Obama. Even Trump has said he sees major cuts coming to the ED.

It's really up to states to make major changes with how they fund their students / school districts.
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Old 01-22-2017, 06:38 AM
 
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Can the districts or zones that are less desirable also decline students? After all, they will be left with the ones who are more difficult to educate. Businesses have the freedom to decline unprofitable customers. Freelancers can decline bad clients. Can all schools decline bad students? Choice should work both ways. If students can choose to attend whatever school they want, schools should be allowed to choose the students they want to enroll.
They turn students away because demand is so much higher than what they can supply. But with the extra funding they'll be able to increase what they can supply.

The problem is going to occur when the so-called white progressives start demanding segregation.
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Old 01-22-2017, 07:01 AM
 
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They turn students away because demand is so much higher than what they can supply. But with the extra funding they'll be able to increase what they can supply.

The problem is going to occur when the so-called white progressives start demanding segregation.
It's not only about quantity, but also quality. For ex., businesses don't want to have so many low paying customers to the point that they lose money selling to them. Hence, they shrink the business but it becimes more profitable. Can all schools behave in the same way - leave it to them to choose in their own terms who they want to educate?
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Old 01-22-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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Many current rules would have to be changed to create any sensibility of such programs.

The locally zoned public school ultimately cannot refuse 'bad' students... and yes, many will end up in jail by the time they are 25. Certain environmental conditions are huge predictors of this.

With a huge movement of special education students, the onus of responsibility has to be decided. Do they get extra voucher funding or higher matched state/federal funding?

Few to none of these things are Trump or DeVos' responsibility.
The fed is not an overarching K-12 agency. The first presidential cabinet to make that a priority was Obama. Even Trump has said he sees major cuts coming to the ED.

It's really up to states to make major changes with how they fund their students / school districts.
Schools received federal money long before Obama. And while DeVos and Trump will make huge cuts to the department of education, federal money that was flowing to K-12 districts will become school vouchers. Bt executive order Trump has already cut mortgage subsidies, and cut back on ACA regulations.

It's going to happen.

Trump will also get the feds out of originating student loans (private companies as of 2013 already service those loans).

A lot of the stuff Obama did was just too easily reversible by the next President, and people took it for granted that the Democrats would get reelected. Let's just say 4-8 years of Trump public education will never be the same, as the school vouchers will take a lot of money out of uncompetitive public schools and you will have employee layoffs and school closing.
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Old 01-22-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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We will see school choice implemented very soon, and it looks like DeVos maybe confirmed on the 31st.
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