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Old 01-26-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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Well this all has to play in Peoria and get through Congress. I suspect a lot of the country will tell their Reps to tell the east coast states and their socialist mass transportation projects to eff off. "What's in it for me?" and all that.
Nope. You really got the wrong end of that.

FDR's superhighways were socialist but people loved them and now look at us today. Where would we be without them?

Part of Trump's slogan to "Make America Great" again resonated with middle America because it was about building roads, subways, bridges, ect and putting people to work. Rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure and monuments to this country is very appealing. SAS is one of those great projects we'd all like to see get done and say "Working People" built that. Look at the great job we all did.

And yes, he's absolutely serious about building the, "Great Wall of America". That's what he does. He builds big things like Trump Towers around the world. I saw today he's going to make Mexico pay for the wall by taxing their imports 20% and why is the media referring to it as the Great Wall of Mexico? They're not really paying for it and we're building it. Is it because it's along our southern boarder with Mexico and to keep the invaders out that are taking our jobs? lol - They're still selling sensationalism.

If he really wants to help he's got to stop China. People are more afraid of their jobs being taken away by immigrants while businesses out source to China and they occupy us economically. Everything is made in China. And you know why? Because they abuse their labor market and make people work for free and in deplorable conditions. That's how we can afford to get cheaper products and spend less. Similar thing happening in India and other developing countries but nobody talks about this much. Meanwhile, there is a class of people in these countries that are benefiting from it and their middle classes are growing at exponential rates from the economic engines of globalization while our middle class shrinks. Mexico has some of this going on with American businesses across the borders to avoid environmental impact policies, but nothing like China and India. Mexico is just the start.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:35 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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You don't know if the DNC/Hillary were behind it or not. They might very well have. As crooked and bitter as they are, I don't doubt they were behind it.
I was very uneasy about a president Trump. But I have to say, he has impressed me so far. Only been a week though, lol.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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I was very uneasy about a president Trump. But I have to say, he has impressed me so far. Only been a week though, lol.
Trump is not getting love from Congress and Senate. Trump is going to. Trump will surpass Obama with executive orders. Also plenty of Republicans in Congress and the Senate do not like Trump.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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Correction, you mean the neoliberal Reagan/Bush/Clinton machine screwed such people over. Not just angry white people. It gets lost that Black people lost employment when factory jobs got offshored,and ditto people of other races.

NYC's own industrial sector got wiped out by the neoliberal machine. Only because of NYC's fame, and because of Bloomberg, NYC was able to expand in creative fields, in education, etc. If not for this the West Side of Manhattan and East River Brooklyn and Queens would still be rotting.

All this construction that's always going in in NYC takes the place of the industrial sector, and that's why NY's politicians are so eager to jump in bed with Trump (NYC developer) for more mass transit projects. Plus Bombardier is making it's trains for the MTA in Upstate NY, plus the parts are made in Pennsylvania.
When I said reaganist. I meant all four past presidents that succeeded Reagan. Obama and Bill Clinton for example are Reagan Democrats. To be honest, Ronald Reagan is responsible for Trump being elected. No doubt in my mind Ronald Reagan is turning in his grave, or having God curse him the hell out. You see I divide up the presidencies like. Reagan to Obama is the Reagan era. From London b Johnson to Jimmy Carter is thr great Society era. From Franky Roosevelt to JFK assassination is thr new deal era. From Warren g Harding to Hoover is the roaring years. While from Woodrow McKinley to Woodrow Wilson period is the American Imperial era.

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Old 01-27-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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When I said reaganist. I meant all four past presidents that succeeded Reagan. Obama and Bill Clinton for example are Reagan Democrats. To be honest, Ronald Reagan is responsible for Trump being elected. No doubt in my mind Ronald Reagan is turning in his grave, or having God curse him the hell out. You see I divide up the presidencies like. Reagan to Obama is the Reagan era. From London b Johnson to Jimmy Carter is thr great Society era. From Franky Roosevelt to JFK assassination is thr new deal era. From Warren g Harding to Hoover is the roaring years. While from Woodrow McKinley to Woodrow Wilson period is the American Imperial era.
You should go to grad school in history or a related field and become a historian. You'd be great. I agree with your timelines for American history. Yes the Reagan era is over. It's ironic, because during the primaries Ann Coulter made fun of the Republicans for not being able to talk about anything but Reagan and abortion.

And while there are certainly Republicans in Congress who don't like Trump, middle America has it's infrastructure needs and needs investment. Which is why Trump made the one trillion dollar figure. It buys political support because those representatives cannot say no to these projects that their constituents need . Ditto for Democrats in NY and California, who are already rallying for the infrastructure plan. Trump and Congress will fight over the figures, but they will come to an agreement. The MTA and the Port Authority are rolling on the floor in orgasms over how much money they will get for the Gateway Tunnel and to complete the Second Avenue Subway and for their to be a LIRR directly from Penn Station to the JFK airport.
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Old 01-30-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Talk about going way off topic! Trump is prioritizing funding for FINISHING the Second Avenue Subway, which has enormous implications for commuters who work, live, or do business on the East Side. The Gateway project is prioritized as well.

This is good for people living in NYC. This has nothing to do with the election per say.

Of course Trump would do something like this. He is a real estate developer. Obama did comparatively little for infrastructure development. But Obama was a law professor who became state legislature and then senator. He had no background in business. Trump, as a businessman certainly has different priorities than Obama, and Trump is from NYC. Further down the road, the development of more subways and railroads and other infrastructure would benefit Trump's children who have followed their father's footsteps in the business.
You saw an official announcement somewhere?
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Old 01-30-2017, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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This is great news. For once the simpleton gets something right
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Old 01-30-2017, 03:17 PM
 
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Nope. You really got the wrong end of that.

FDR's superhighways were socialist but people loved them and now look at us today. Where would we be without them?

Part of Trump's slogan to "Make America Great" again resonated with middle America because it was about building roads, subways, bridges, ect and putting people to work. Rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure and monuments to this country is very appealing. SAS is one of those great projects we'd all like to see get done and say "Working People" built that. Look at the great job we all did.

And yes, he's absolutely serious about building the, "Great Wall of America". That's what he does. He builds big things like Trump Towers around the world. I saw today he's going to make Mexico pay for the wall by taxing their imports 20% and why is the media referring to it as the Great Wall of Mexico? They're not really paying for it and we're building it. Is it because it's along our southern boarder with Mexico and to keep the invaders out that are taking our jobs? lol - They're still selling sensationalism.

If he really wants to help he's got to stop China. People are more afraid of their jobs being taken away by immigrants while businesses out source to China and they occupy us economically. Everything is made in China. And you know why? Because they abuse their labor market and make people work for free and in deplorable conditions. That's how we can afford to get cheaper products and spend less. Similar thing happening in India and other developing countries but nobody talks about this much. Meanwhile, there is a class of people in these countries that are benefiting from it and their middle classes are growing at exponential rates from the economic engines of globalization while our middle class shrinks. Mexico has some of this going on with American businesses across the borders to avoid environmental impact policies, but nothing like China and India. Mexico is just the start.
The labor market abuse isn't as widespread or pervasive in China as it seems that you think it was or is. There was a massive, inexpensive labor pool in China for a very long time and that was able to keep wages depressed for a very long time which continues to this day, however, that has been quickly changing for China for two primary reasons--the one child policy and continued urbanization meant birthrates plummeted for the previous and current generation so that labor pool is no longer growing, secondly, Chinese citizens's general expectations for standards of living have gone up significantly and therefore those massive wage differential between the US and China has dramatically decreased. It's why in the last several years, many multinational corporations have moved elsewhere aside from China where it's still cheap enough and there is decent rule of law and existence of infrastruture or have in some cases moved or planned to move back parts of operations back to their home base.

I think no one talks about other developing countries much because they simply aren't nearly as large a factor even combined.

I think the biggest issue was that for various reasons, the benefits of trade didn't pay off because the workforce that was supposed to be retrained from those lost jobs never happened. For various reasons, that more valuable, higher-skilled workforce transition never happened. The concomittant workforce retraining was never particularly widespread and the shift to new industries was extremely slow for the US and the profits generated from outsourcing never went to better infrastructure to make the US more competitive or retraining opportunities for the workforce. It did go to a lot of people higher up in the chain especially as greater tax cuts for the wealthier became more and more prevalent and certain forms of non-payment of taxes which requires some fairly sophisticated shielding of finances but can be technically legal were pursued by those with a lot of wealth. That and we spent over a trillion on an unnecessary war (6 trillion with interest) that pissed off our allies and made enemies out of people who just used to be ambivalent about us. Basically, we sort of ate our lunch, not China or Mexico. Looks like we're about to do t again as essentially the same group of voters who voted in the last disaster decided they'd like to do it again.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Earth
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the rust belt strikes back!
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Old 03-27-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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the rust belt strikes back!
Cool! Are they going to build the next phase for us?
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