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Old 02-28-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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No, I've been on college campuses recently, and unlike you, I don't depend on all the news from anywhere in the spectrum for all my information. Many college Presidents were a part of the legal briefs to overturn the ban from 7 Muslim nations.

Muslims not from those nations, as well as many immigrants who aren't Muslim, feared such a ban could hit them at any time and came out in support of people from those nations.

Many American travelers also were against this ban.

Unlike uneducated ideologues, as an academic I rely on primary sources. I can go to college campuses, or speak to student organizations, or other groups on what sorts of things they are working on. Trump did not win the college student vote, in fact, he did not win the popular vote.

So there is no overwhelming majority of people who supported him.
There are thousands of colleges and millions of students across the country. Unless you went to all of them and spoke to all of the students, which would be next to impossible, you are just full of it.

"Many" to you are just the proverbial drop in a bucket. Regardless, college students last I checked, are still just one part of the many segments of the population.

Now you are claiming "fear" by muslims of what could happen. So it's not really any bans that these people have a problem with, it's the fear of the unknown. LOL.
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Old 02-28-2017, 06:09 PM
 
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There are thousands of colleges and millions of students across the country. Unless you went to all of them and spoke to all of the students, which would be next to impossible, you are just full of it.

"Many" to you are just the proverbial drop in a bucket. Regardless, college students last I checked, are still just one part of the many segments of the population.

Now you are claiming "fear" by muslims of what could happen. So it's not really any bans that these people have a problem with, it's the fear of the unknown. LOL.
College students as a demographic did not come out as majority Trump. I don't need to visit every college in the country. I am in touch with people from colleges around the nation, as well as being affiliated with two colleges I graduated from.

Aside from those two colleges, a large number of colleges filed briefs against Trump's OVERTURNED immigration policy.

In short, what Trump did wasn't popular among college students or immigrants.

And college educated people weren't Trump's core base. Blue collar white people were. Not saying that Trump doesn't have ANY college students who support him, because clearly some do. But to claim that a tiny minority of college students are anti Trump or liberal is just plain not true. He did not have overwhelming support from college students or the nation as a whole, and LOST the public vote, which is something you try not to deal with.

And the courts and the Democrats in Congress have certainly SLOWED him down and checked him.
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:58 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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College students as a demographic did not come out as majority Trump. I don't need to visit every college in the country. I am in touch with people from colleges around the nation, as well as being affiliated with two colleges I graduated from.

Aside from those two colleges, a large number of colleges filed briefs against Trump's OVERTURNED immigration policy.

In short, what Trump did wasn't popular among college students or immigrants.

And college educated people weren't Trump's core base. Blue collar white people were. Not saying that Trump doesn't have ANY college students who support him, because clearly some do. But to claim that a tiny minority of college students are anti Trump or liberal is just plain not true. He did not have overwhelming support from college students or the nation as a whole, and LOST the public vote, which is something you try not to deal with.

And the courts and the Democrats in Congress have certainly SLOWED him down and checked him.
And why would it be? College students rebel against anything and everything in the name of being ultra liberal, and the immigrants have an agenda. If you're an illegal alien of course you would be against Trump. What's annoying as hell to me are the people who continuously mix up ILLEGAL immigrants with LEGAL ones. We have laws in the this country just like every other country does when it comes to immigration. I don't know what's so hard to understand. You enter LEGALLY or you're ILLEGAL and should be deported. Case closed. No ifs ands, or buts. For the people that say it's "inhumane", well how about we focus on the countries that these people are coming from? Let's talk about the endless corruption in Mexico and elsewhere? Why don't those folks deal with that mess instead of pushing their citizens on us when we have plenty of poor Americans here who can't get ahead? The whole thing is a joke. I'm for LEGAL immigration, but these ILLEGAL aliens constantly pouring in here taking from Americans has to stop.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:02 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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College students as a demographic did not come out as majority Trump. I don't need to visit every college in the country. I am in touch with people from colleges around the nation, as well as being affiliated with two colleges I graduated from.

Aside from those two colleges, a large number of colleges filed briefs against Trump's OVERTURNED immigration policy.

In short, what Trump did wasn't popular among college students or immigrants.

And college educated people weren't Trump's core base. Blue collar white people were. Not saying that Trump doesn't have ANY college students who support him, because clearly some do. But to claim that a tiny minority of college students are anti Trump or liberal is just plain not true. He did not have overwhelming support from college students or the nation as a whole, and LOST the public vote, which is something you try not to deal with.

And the courts and the Democrats in Congress have certainly SLOWED him down and checked him.
College students are young people with impressionable minds. (People tend to become more conservative as they grow older and wiser). The liberal schools have done a good job brainwashing them. BTW, college students are also the same group that was supportive of Sanders, along with his socialist ideas. Enough said.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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And why would it be? College students rebel against anything and everything in the name of being ultra liberal, and the immigrants have an agenda. If you're an illegal alien of course you would be against Trump. What's annoying as hell to me are the people who continuously mix up ILLEGAL immigrants with LEGAL ones. We have laws in the this country just like every other country does when it comes to immigration. I don't know what's so hard to understand. You enter LEGALLY or you're ILLEGAL and should be deported. Case closed. No ifs ands, or buts. For the people that say it's "inhumane", well how about we focus on the countries that these people are coming from? Let's talk about the endless corruption in Mexico and elsewhere? Why don't those folks deal with that mess instead of pushing their citizens on us when we have plenty of poor Americans here who can't get ahead? The whole thing is a joke. I'm for LEGAL immigration, but these ILLEGAL aliens constantly pouring in here taking from Americans has to stop.
Except Trump's ban on immigrants from those 7 nations stopped people who had already been approved for work and student visas, and who had greencards. Those people had been vetted by the government. What the Trump administration did was inhumane and also did not hold up in court.

Re: Not everyone in Mexico wants to come to the US, and you do have people who fight to make improvements in Mexico . Btw, I've been to Mexico. It's not a bad place.

Today Mexicans immigration to the US has declined (ditto immigration from South America and the Spanish Caribbean).

In recent years more Mexicans have returned to Mexico than entered the US.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:53 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Except Trump's ban on immigrants from those 7 nations stopped people who had already been approved for work and student visas, and who had greencards. Those people had been vetted by the government. What the Trump administration did was inhumane and also did not hold up in court.

Re: Not everyone in Mexico wants to come to the US, and you do have people who fight to make improvements in Mexico . Btw, I've been to Mexico. It's not a bad place.

Today Mexicans immigration to the US has declined (ditto immigration from South America and the Spanish Caribbean).

In recent years more Mexicans have returned to Mexico than entered the US.
I don't know of too many people that want to leave their homeland unless they have to, but that has nothing to do with people entering illegally. Mexico still remains a main entry point for illegal immigrants, not just from Mexico, but elsewhere in Latin America and around the world. If we're talking about "inhumane" conditions, Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. We can start there. Plenty of wealth in that country that has remained in the hands of a few (roughly 10% of the population) for far too long. If they dealt with that you wouldn't have so many people coming here illegally.

We have every right to defend our borders, and I am sick of the excuses being used as to why illegal immigrants should be allowed to break our laws and make a mockery of our system because if the shoe was on the other foot, we sure as hell wouldn't be able to enter Mexico or many other countries illegally. The double standards are appalling. Yes, allow vetted people to enter our country, but let's not continue this charade otherwise.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:36 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Except Trump's ban on immigrants from those 7 nations stopped people who had already been approved for work and student visas, and who had greencards. Those people had been vetted by the government. What the Trump administration did was inhumane and also did not hold up in court.

Re: Not everyone in Mexico wants to come to the US, and you do have people who fight to make improvements in Mexico . Btw, I've been to Mexico. It's not a bad place.

Today Mexicans immigration to the US has declined (ditto immigration from South America and the Spanish Caribbean).

In recent years more Mexicans have returned to Mexico than entered the US.
A bit overdramatization aren't we? Inhumane because a few people were held longer than usual?

Inhumane is getting imprisoned, getting beaten, getting murdered, etc. Being held up at the airport is not inhumane. It is called inconvenienced.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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A bit overdramatization aren't we? Inhumane because a few people were held longer than usual?

Inhumane is getting imprisoned, getting beaten, getting murdered, etc. Being held up at the airport is not inhumane. It is called inconvenienced.
Exactly, but the liberals will do anything to justify open borders.
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:08 AM
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A bit overdramatization aren't we? Inhumane because a few people were held longer than usual?

Inhumane is getting imprisoned, getting beaten, getting murdered, etc. Being held up at the airport is not inhumane. It is called inconvenienced.


It was a pleasure to see attorneys pouring out of the woodwork to get in front of the airport cameras to do their selfless pro bono work for inconvenienced travelers at the protest du jour.


Meanwhile, back at criminal court in every major city in the US, hundreds of thousands of poor, minority, legal US citizens are vastly underserved and left to the mercy of prosecutors, and with substandard representation. God knows it would be nice to get things into proportion, but the bandwagon is more important I guess.
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