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Old 03-08-2017, 12:45 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Yeah because there should be nowhere in NYC left that's not extremely expensive
The Bronx isn't burning anymore and that's a good thing. Maybe areas like Country Club, Morris Park, Riverdale, etc. and the like can finally get the respect that they so deserve as outstanding neighborhoods, instead of "but it's still the Bronx"... You have neighborhoods in the Bronx that have always been just as good as areas of Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan, but they've always been overshadowed and maligned by the dumpy parts of the borough, and that needs to change. Quite frankly I for one am sick of hearing it... Such and such is nice... for the Bronx.... So when people with more money start moving in, perhaps that ghetto mentality can finally be removed and the "it's still the Bronx" can go away. Some people want the Bronx to remain as a ghetto because they can't accept the idea of numerous nice areas in NYC. Imagine that... Nice boroughs without tons of ghetto people. I've never heard that about any other borough, even Staten Island... An area is just good and that's it.
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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The Bronx isn't burning anymore and that's a good thing. Maybe the Country Clubs, Riverdales and other areas can finally get the respect that they so deserve as outstanding neighborhoods, instead of "but it's still the Bronx"...

What many seem to forget is that the Bronx didn't really begin to do down hill until the 1950's thanks in large part to several factors causing "white flight". Prior to this South Bronx and other areas where like many parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island; working to middle class white non-Hispanic.


So on the whole the Bronx had more good years than bad; and like Harlem, Bushwick, Bedford Stuyvesant, and other areas that went into decline when whites fled back in the 1960's through 1970's allowing blacks and other minorities to flood in; the trend has reversed.


Just as with much of Harlem, those grand buildings along Grand Concourse were *NOT* built for blacks, Latino-Hispanics and the "poor". But that is who moved in when everyone else fled; now peeps are coming back..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bronx


A Walk Through the Bronx . History | Thirteen/WNET




A Pivotal Time: Catholicism and the Bronx in the 1960s | Explore the Art





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdEAcMrCzXo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2bCrvxvVk
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Old 03-08-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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What many seem to forget is that the Bronx didn't really begin to do down hill until the 1950's thanks in large part to several factors causing "white flight". Prior to this South Bronx and other areas where like many parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island; working to middle class white non-Hispanic.


So on the whole the Bronx had more good years than bad; and like Harlem, Bushwick, Bedford Stuyvesant, and other areas that went into decline when whites fled back in the 1960's through 1970's allowing blacks and other minorities to flood in; the trend has reversed.


Just as with much of Harlem, those grand buildings along Grand Concourse were *NOT* built for blacks, Latino-Hispanics and the "poor". But that is who moved in when everyone else fled; now peeps are coming back..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bronx


A Walk Through the Bronx . History | Thirteen/WNET




A Pivotal Time: Catholicism and the Bronx in the 1960s | Explore the Art





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdEAcMrCzXo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2bCrvxvVk
The Bronx was a place to actually ESCAPE to FROM Manhattan. It was built for the solid middle class to upper class families, and you still see that today with Riverdale, Country Club and parts of Throgs Neck. There are some really wonderful neighborhoods there and hopefully people can get past this "it's the Bronx BS". Unfortunately people like Robert Moses helped destroy a lot of solid neighborhoods by ramming expressways and the like literally through them. The Bronx in many areas is Westchester in NYC. There aren't too many neighborhoods as charming as Indian Village or Woodlawn with greenery and houses going back to the 1900s. This is the Bronx people LOVE to overlook.
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Old 03-08-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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The Bronx was a place to actually ESCAPE to FROM Manhattan. It was built for the solid middle class to upper class families, and you still see that today with Riverdale, Country Club and parts of Throgs Neck. There are some really wonderful neighborhoods there and hopefully people can get past this "it's the Bronx BS". Unfortunately people like Robert Moses helped destroy a lot of solid neighborhoods by ramming expressways and the like literally through them. The Bronx in many areas is Westchester in NYC. There aren't too many neighborhoods as charming as Indian Village or Woodlawn with greenery and houses going back to the 1900s. This is the Bronx people LOVE to overlook.

Robert Moses and his GD Cross Bronx Expressway (among other projects) killed entire vibrant neighborhoods. Some never recovered others are now only just beginning to reverse the effects.


As for the balance of your post; yes the Bronx was a place people left Manhattan to live. There is a reason why first the Els and then subway system went from lower Manhattan north up through Harlem, Inwood and Washington Heights and then up through the Bronx.


This was done for the same reasons subway service went east from Manhattan into Queens and Brooklyn; to give people a way to move out of often cramped and crowded Manhattan but still get back to downtown and Midtown to work, shop or play.
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Old 03-08-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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Here come the yuppies.


Ugh.


Go back to Brooklyn.

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Old 03-09-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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Future city for the exclusive rich and their foreign servants. Low and middle income American citizens need not apply.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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Robert Moses and his GD Cross Bronx Expressway (among other projects) killed entire vibrant neighborhoods. Some never recovered others are now only just beginning to reverse the effects.


As for the balance of your post; yes the Bronx was a place people left Manhattan to live. There is a reason why first the Els and then subway system went from lower Manhattan north up through Harlem, Inwood and Washington Heights and then up through the Bronx.


This was done for the same reasons subway service went east from Manhattan into Queens and Brooklyn; to give people a way to move out of often cramped and crowded Manhattan but still get back to downtown and Midtown to work, shop or play.
As the children of European immigrants moved up, who wanted to remain in a busted up apartment building? Post WW2 the government substantially increased the mortgage market. This alone gave whites incentives to move out of inner cities to suburbs.

By the 90s suburbs weren't necessarily white as middle class minorities moved to them.

Renting is for poorer people long term, as those who are at least middle class prefer to own homes, many still love their cars.

There isn't enough demand for the Bronx to do massive condo or co-op conversions. You don't have major job centers in the Bronx either. It will remain highly poor for quite some time.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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The Bronx was a place to actually ESCAPE to FROM Manhattan. It was built for the solid middle class to upper class families, and you still see that today with Riverdale, Country Club and parts of Throgs Neck. There are some really wonderful neighborhoods there and hopefully people can get past this "it's the Bronx BS". Unfortunately people like Robert Moses helped destroy a lot of solid neighborhoods by ramming expressways and the like literally through them. The Bronx in many areas is Westchester in NYC. There aren't too many neighborhoods as charming as Indian Village or Woodlawn with greenery and houses going back to the 1900s. This is the Bronx people LOVE to overlook.
Most parts of the Bronx are now places you want to escape from.

Rents are falling in Manhattan itself. So with rents falling in desirable neighborhoods, no reason to trek up to the Bronx.
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:49 PM
 
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NYC at Highest Risk of Housing Displacement in national study

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Old 03-10-2017, 12:32 AM
 
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NYC at Highest Risk of Housing Displacement in national study

Title of thread fixed.
Homeless capital of the United States, and one of the world's leading homeless capitals.

That's a better title.
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