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As the children of European immigrants moved up, who wanted to remain in a busted up apartment building? Post WW2 the government substantially increased the mortgage market. This alone gave whites incentives to move out of inner cities to suburbs.
By the 90s suburbs weren't necessarily white as middle class minorities moved to them.
Renting is for poorer people long term, as those who are at least middle class prefer to own homes, many still love their cars.
There isn't enough demand for the Bronx to do massive condo or co-op conversions. You don't have major job centers in the Bronx either. It will remain highly poor for quite some time.
Here we go again. The Bronx WAS built for middle and upper class residents. Whites weren't living in "busted up buildings". They left because of projects that literally destroyed entire neighborhoods. Buildings were left unoccupied and weren't maintained, then they became decrepit. Stop painting the Bronx as this place that was always a ****hole. That simply isn't the case. You are also incorrect about the Bronx not having major job centers. The Bronx has several renown institutions such as Montefiore, which anchors numerous neighborhoods and has kept them from going south. Whether or not those doctors, and others in white collar positions live in the Bronx is another story. Some may live in Manhattan or Westchester. There's also Albert Einstein, which sees many people that work there but live in Manhattan.
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Most parts of the Bronx are now places you want to escape from.
Rents are falling in Manhattan itself. So with rents falling in desirable neighborhoods, no reason to trek up to the Bronx.
Another misconception. A lot of the people moving to the Bronx aren't from Manhattan, but rather Brooklyn, and rents aren't necessarily falling there. This Manhattan centric rhetoric you keep talking about is becoming old.
The Bronx isn't burning anymore and that's a good thing. So when people with more money start moving in, perhaps that ghetto mentality can finally be removed and the "it's still the Bronx" can go away. Some people want the Bronx to remain as a ghetto because they can't accept the idea of numerous nice areas in NYC.
the Bronx stopped burning in the 80s. The "ghetto mentality" hasnt even dissapeared from the notoriously gentrified districts of Harlem Bushwick and Bed Stuy so its not leaving the bronx anytime soon. No one wants the bronx to remain a ghetto......they probably just want it to stay at least semi affordable......for the last 10 years the Bronx was nearly untouched and was not heavily affected by the rampant gentrificaiton going on elsewhere in NY City.....not everyone wants a pretentious gentrified city so it was a breath of fresh air (i know thats an ironic statement for a borough with a high asthma rate no need to pointthat out).....
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What many seem to forget is that the Bronx didn't really begin to do down hill until the 1950's thanks in large part to several factors causing "white flight". Prior to this South Bronx and other areas where like many parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island; working to middle class white non-Hispanic.
So on the whole the Bronx had more good years than bad; and like Harlem, Bushwick, Bedford Stuyvesant, and other areas that went into decline when whites fled back in the 1960's through 1970's allowing blacks and other minorities to flood in; the trend has reversed.
Just as with much of Harlem, those grand buildings along Grand Concourse were *NOT* built for blacks, Latino-Hispanics and the "poor". But that is who moved in when everyone else fled; now peeps are coming back..
Redlining an blockbusting did most of that.....
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The Bronx was a place to actually ESCAPE to FROM Manhattan. It was built for the solid middle class to upper class families, and you still see that today with Riverdale, Country Club and parts of Throgs Neck. There are some really wonderful neighborhoods there and hopefully people can get past this "it's the Bronx BS". Unfortunately people like Robert Moses helped destroy a lot of solid neighborhoods by ramming expressways and the like literally through them. The Bronx in many areas is Westchester in NYC. There aren't too many neighborhoods as charming as Indian Village or Woodlawn with greenery and houses going back to the 1900s. This is the Bronx people LOVE to overlook.
Glad you acknowledged Robert Moses role in destroying the Bronx. Bc it wasnt southern blacks and puerto ricans who decided to gut the borough with expressways and knock down city blocks to build public housing buildings.
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Here we go again. The Bronx WAS built for middle and upper class residents. Whites weren't living in "busted up buildings". They left because of projects that literally destroyed entire neighborhoods. Buildings were left unoccupied and weren't maintained, then they became decrepit.
they also left bc the low interest affordable suburbs of long island and New Jersey were easily accessible.....that and bc black people moved in banks redlined the area......which means landlord couldnt obtain loans to fix the buildings even if they wanted to....which is what led to the rampant arson of the 70s....
Geez, all these wealthey white folks (who abnoxiously call themselves "hipsters" lol) , are gentrifying (aka kicking out poor blacks/hispanics) NYC neighborhoods left and right. First Uptown Manhattan and Brooklyn, and now the Bronx. After they get displaced where do they go, Westchester, Long Island, Jersey, Philly, down south, NYCHA, move in wit family or friends in a already cramed apartment, or even homeless in a shelter or on the street.
This is basically the "Christopher Columbus Effect" , these wealthy white ghetto explorers show no care or consideration for the people their kicking out.
Redlined minorities in a segregated ghetto where we made a community, to later kick us out the same neighborhoods they forced us in. Gentrification is not neccessarily racist per say, its more classist. But Class & Race are very tied together in most of America, especially urban cities. And unfortunately, New York City is the center of gentrification in the US.
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Oh good lord. There are plenty of middle/upper-middle class black people in the Bronx who own property. If very poor people will get priced out, they may qualify for subsidized housing. I'm not sure that the Bronx has much of a vulnerable class to housing prices.
The poor will qualify for subsidized housing, and may be able to move somewhere else, or be eligible for any housing projects. Home owners will be OK unless the government tries to go crazy by charging them crazy property taxes. The most vulnerable to me would be working class renters who would be affected by non-subsidized rents rising... AKA people who are not poor, but don't own homes.
Just my opinion. BTW never thought I'd say this, but the Bronx is beautiful. They have cleaned up the river, and there is a lot of ethnic diversity (Indians, Africans, Caribbeans etc.). Some places are still kind of scruffy, but most of it is beautiful, and they have natural beauty and surprising amounts of green space. Glad to see improvements.
Oh good lord. There are plenty of middle/upper-middle class black people in the Bronx who own property. If very poor people will get priced out, they may qualify for subsidized housing. I'm not sure that the Bronx has much of a vulnerable class to housing prices.
The poor will qualify for subsidized housing, and may be able to move somewhere else, or be eligible for any housing projects. Home owners will be OK unless the government tries to go crazy by charging them crazy property taxes. The most vulnerable to me would be working class renters who would be affected by non-subsidized rents rising... AKA people who are not poor, but don't own homes.
Just my opinion. BTW never thought I'd say this, but the Bronx is beautiful. They have cleaned up the river, and there is a lot of ethnic diversity (Indians, Africans, Caribbeans etc.). Some places are still kind of scruffy, but most of it is beautiful, and they have natural beauty and surprising amounts of green space. Glad to see improvements.
It most certainly does, everyone who is lower income and is renting market rate apartments.
And subsidized housing isn't guaranteed, plus I'm sure many people would rather not live in NYCHA.
Geez, all these wealthey white folks (who abnoxiously call themselves "hipsters" lol) , are gentrifying (aka kicking out poor blacks/hispanics) NYC neighborhoods left and right. First Uptown Manhattan and Brooklyn, and now the Bronx. After they get displaced where do they go, Westchester, Long Island, Jersey, Philly, down south, NYCHA, move in wit family or friends in a already cramed apartment, or even homeless in a shelter or on the street.
This is basically the "Christopher Columbus Effect" , these wealthy white ghetto explorers show no care or consideration for the people their kicking out.
Redlined minorities in a segregated ghetto where we made a community, to later kick us out the same neighborhoods they forced us in. Gentrification is not neccessarily racist per say, its more classist. But Class & Race are very tied together in most of America, especially urban cities. And unfortunately, New York City is the center of gentrification in the US.
Los Angeles, San Francisco, D.C, Oakland, Boston, Parts of Philly going gentrification too
Geez, all these wealthey white folks (who abnoxiously call themselves "hipsters" lol) , are gentrifying (aka kicking out poor blacks/hispanics) NYC neighborhoods left and right. First Uptown Manhattan and Brooklyn, and now the Bronx. After they get displaced where do they go, Westchester, Long Island, Jersey, Philly, down south, NYCHA, move in wit family or friends in a already cramed apartment, or even homeless in a shelter or on the street.
This is basically the "Christopher Columbus Effect" , these wealthy white ghetto explorers show no care or consideration for the people their kicking out.
Redlined minorities in a segregated ghetto where we made a community, to later kick us out the same neighborhoods they forced us in. Gentrification is not neccessarily racist per say, its more classist. But Class & Race are very tied together in most of America, especially urban cities. And unfortunately, New York City is the center of gentrification in the US.
blame the greedy landlords...rents are going up in NYC neighborhoods even where there are no white people.
Another misconception. A lot of the people moving to the Bronx aren't from Manhattan, but rather Brooklyn, and rents aren't necessarily falling there. This Manhattan centric rhetoric you keep talking about is becoming old.
So again with rents declining in more desirable boroughs there is no longer a need to move to the Bronx, which will remain mostly hood for quite some time.
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They left because of projects that literally destroyed entire neighborhoods. Buildings were left unoccupied and weren't maintained, then they became decrepit. Stop painting the Bronx as this place that was always a ****hole. That simply isn't the case. You are also incorrect about the Bronx not having major job centers. The Bronx has several renown institutions such as Montefiore, which anchors numerous neighborhoods and has kept them from going south. Whether or not those doctors, and others in white collar positions live in the Bronx is another story. Some may live in Manhattan or Westchester. There's also Albert Einstein, which sees many people that work there but live in Manhattan.
