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Old 03-12-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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For essential features of our government that weeds out corruption and criminal elements from our government and businesses? Yea, I think I definitely do.
There can be more working together instead of waiting back and then attacking. But then again that won't get them the headlines.
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Old 03-12-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Politicians don't operate in a vacuum. The vast majority of politicians can't operate without wealthy patrons. That's the way it's always been.

Seems to be that a lot of you are going to get burned.
Wealthy patrons are private citizens. Politicians are suppose to serve the public. If wealthy patrons do something wrong, the politicians are what we rely on to catch them but if the politicians are also corrupt, then our society falls apart. Cleaning up the government is paramount.
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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Americans can't get decent wages because Obama with his anti-business policies have sent many companies and jobs overseas and his lax illegal immigration agenda has flooded the job market with illegals willing to work under the table for a lot less than most Americans are willing to work for, devastating both the rural and urban poor. That's why Trump was elected by the blue collar states and Hillary and the Obama status quo was rejected.

Washington's bloated and fiercely entrenched bureaucracy and corruption is the country's biggest problem not Wall St, which is like chump change compared to DC.
The collapse of industries and small towns went back to at least the NAFTA and WTO eras, and both agreements were signed by Clinton. Businesses wanted to be able to offshore so they could pay their employees LESS money, and and make greater profits. Offshoring continued under Bush. Not just manufacturing jobs, but jobs like customer service.

Illegal immigration didn't start with Obama either. Since Reagan gave amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants, employers were required by law to verify legal status of their employees. Of course many employers broke the law on that one.

You're right on why blue collar states rejected the Clinton/Obama status quo, but that has a lot to do with them getting wiped about by NAFTA over 20 years ago.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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Mostly I'm sure, but our government is unreasonably large so there's plenty of Obama lackeys hanging around and will be for awhile. The transition between administrations takes awhile.


To describe Preet Bharara as an "Obama lackey" is overly simplistic. He was getting real results for the public and it shouldn't matter who appointed him.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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The collapse of industries and small towns went back to at least the NAFTA and WTO eras, and both agreements were signed by Clinton. Businesses wanted to be able to offshore so they could pay their employees LESS money, and and make greater profits. Offshoring continued under Bush. Not just manufacturing jobs, but jobs like customer service.

Illegal immigration didn't start with Obama either. Since Reagan gave amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants, employers were required by law to verify legal status of their employees. Of course many employers broke the law on that one.

You're right on why blue collar states rejected the Clinton/Obama status quo, but that has a lot to do with them getting wiped about by NAFTA over 20 years ago.
Obama did nothing to change the flow of companies and jobs out, and the flow of illegals in.

Trump is finally going to change all that.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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Wealthy patrons are private citizens. Politicians are suppose to serve the public. If wealthy patrons do something wrong, the politicians are what we rely on to catch them but if the politicians are also corrupt, then our society falls apart. Cleaning up the government is paramount.
You can't clean up the government without holding everyone in society accountable for breaking the law.

Corrupt politicians are a symptom of a corrupt culture. You claimed that draining the swamp isn't about holding Wall St. (or other major players) accountable. If you really believe that then you're a fool.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:40 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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To describe Preet Bharara as an "Obama lackey" is overly simplistic. He was getting real results for the public and it shouldn't matter who appointed him.
Stop making things up. He did not refer to Bharara as the lackey. The lackeys he's referring to are the countless and nameless bureaucrats leftover from the previous administration, some of which are seditiously working to undermine the current administration by providing classified intelligence leaks to the media.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:44 AM
 
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Obama did nothing to change the flow of companies and jobs out, and the flow of illegals in.

Trump is finally going to change all that.
Are you 10 years old?

Globalization has it's root in Nixon opening up China my friend. This isn't a Republican or Democrat thing. This is a big business thing and it's been going on for close to 50 years and it was unavoidable really.
US labor had it too good and got too uppity post WW2.

You think Trump is going to wave a magic wand and change the global supply chain in 4 or 8 years? lol
The current state of globalization took close to 50 years to come about, it's not going to be significantly altered in a quarter of that time without major violence.

Look back at history you fool. If you think globalization will change in a major way in 8 years, then get ready for WW3.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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To describe Preet Bharara as an "Obama lackey" is overly simplistic. He was getting real results for the public and it shouldn't matter who appointed him.
I didn't.

Conversations evolve. I was responding to a specific comment addressing the fact that Trump has yet to fully cleanse the full executive staff as it is enormous.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Stop making things up. He did not refer to Bharara as the lackey. The lackeys he's referring to are the countless and nameless bureaucrats leftover from the previous administration, some of which are seditiously working to undermine the current administration by providing classified intelligence leaks to the media.
Exactly. Didn't see this before I posted.
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