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Hopefully Mr. Trump has some concrete solutions to this problem. Minorities, given the right tools and resources, can succeed as much as their white and Asian peers.
The right tools are good involved parents, and what can the government do about that
Something I'm curious about, how can a school be "bad" if all the schools teach the same curriculum more or less (for the standard level classes, at least)?
The right tools are good involved parents, and what can the government do about that
Plenty.
But as noted on another thread, the white working class has mortality rates due to suicide and addiction that go HIGHER than for Blacks as a whole.
The collapse of institutions that provided stability to working class people were cited. Church, unions, and stable families, long with stable working class jobs (such as manufacturing) have butchered communities, and helped pave the way for a massive opiate wave.
So what could the government do to help? There's a reason why working class whites like Trump's mantra, jobs, jobs, jobs. Whether or not he delivers is a different matter (the Democratic party should have gone with Bernie), but giving people access to STABLE jobs where they can support themselves reasonable and not have to go on Section 8 or live with 6 roommates would go a long way in helping to provide the stability that would enable people to consider marriage and having stable families.
So along those lines, here's one thing that will ultimately do in the admissions rate at the specialized high schools and force the city to change. The schools have become mostly Asian, and that doesn't benefit white people at all, and you can believe that as this gets out more broadly they'll deal with it.
Top universities use other metrics in admission, such as money (lol), extracurricular activities, volunteering, demonstrated talent in any of the arts or sports, knowledge of additional languages, etc to determine who gets in, so just scoring well on a test doesn't mean you'll get into a top university.
Asians maybe suited to do well on the tests to get in NYC's specialized high schools because you have these tests in Asian societies. One must do very well on the gaokao to get into a top university for free in China, and have an excellent future. Those who do poorly don't go to any university, and mediocre students have to pay a lot of money to go to mediocre universities which will lead to medicore careers. Some other parts of East Asia have similar systems in place. So when it comes to test taking, Chinese can blast past white Americans, but of course white Americans don't allow that to translate to overrepresentation at top universities. I'm not sure about South Asians.
Patel, rejected by every Ivy League, was still determined to go. After becoming a med student and creating a successful business that made quite a bit of money, he got into Yale School of Management. He had what admissions commitees were truly looking for.
We're in Trump's anti immigrant America, and the NAACP could play the foreigner game behind the scenes. And no, I don't condone anti immigrant sentiment, but there's a reason why this got such coverage from the Times recently.
We're in Trump's anti immigrant America, and the NAACP could play the foreigner game behind the scenes. And no, I don't condone anti immigrant sentiment, but there's a reason why this got such coverage from the Times recently.
You can make the case that with Trump's attack on government jobs, decline in HUD, vouchers for private schools choice, and gentrification will disproportionately impact the black community. Making any victory the NAACP achieve insignificant in the grand scheme of things, especially given the countless studies that show attending a specialized high school has no significant academic benefit. The exodus of black people leaving liberal cities for the south might accelerate under a Trump administration.
You can make the case that with Trump's attack on government jobs, decline in HUD, vouchers for private schools choice, and gentrification will disproportionately impact the black community. Making any victory the NAACP achieve insignificant in the grand scheme of things, especially given the countless studies that show attending a specialized high school has no significant academic benefit. The exodus of black people leaving liberal cities for the south might accelerate under a Trump administration.
I don't know how vouchers in NYC or in other big cities would disproportionately affect Black people. If it's used to entirely gut the public school system who really cares? Eliminating HUD? Before HUD poor people in NYC just lived in overcrowded conditions. They do that now, and Section 8 hasn't taken new applications in 20 years or so. Most apartments don't take vouchers.
DeVos doesn't believe in public education so if she had her way everyone would be attending religious, private academies.
But this is a very different thing from what I'm saying. Clearly as the I y League demonstrates test scores are easily dismissed or at least not the sole metric when white people are involved, as the Ivy League is not about to let itself become flooded with poor immigrants.
So then why preserve this for NYC specialized schools? Why have this double standard? You know the NAACP will ultimately win this.
They have every right to litigate. Just keep in mind that litigation usually doesn't help the greater good of society. It helps a certain few, and stuffs the pockets of lawyers and politicians.
So along those lines, here's one thing that will ultimately do in the admissions rate at the specialized high schools and force the city to change. The schools have become mostly Asian, and that doesn't benefit white people at all, and you can believe that as this gets out more broadly they'll deal with it.
Top universities use other metrics in admission, such as money (lol), extracurricular activities, volunteering, demonstrated talent in any of the arts or sports, knowledge of additional languages, etc to determine who gets in, so just scoring well on a test doesn't mean you'll get into a top university.
Asians maybe suited to do well on the tests to get in NYC's specialized high schools because you have these tests in Asian societies. One must do very well on the gaokao to get into a top university for free in China, and have an excellent future. Those who do poorly don't go to any university, and mediocre students have to pay a lot of money to go to mediocre universities which will lead to medicore careers. Some other parts of East Asia have similar systems in place. So when it comes to test taking, Chinese can blast past white Americans, but of course white Americans don't allow that to translate to overrepresentation at top universities.
How does changing the admissions criteria for specialized high schools in the way the naacp envisions it benefit the affluent influential white constituency, which sends its kids to suburban or private schools?
You also need to consider that the affluent white kids who got admitted to top universities spent years of intentional preparation (youth sports, travel, research mentors) and lots of money to make their resumes look good. They do not send applications completely unprepared, which is the issue with minorities being under represented in SHS. Maybe they have the raw talent, but they are just unprepared by the time the admission process begins.
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I have never understood the rationale of that either.
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